Posted on 10/25/2003 6:00:26 AM PDT by NYer
So Christopher Reeve is definitely a dead man in your hands!
I doubt this is so, but in any case, why do you think she stopped walking and eating orally (it in fact she was able to do so)?
As to the rest of your comments and many similar ones here), I have never tried to defend her husband nor any of his actions - they are irrelivant to me. What is relevant is that IMO no one should be forced to continue living artifically when in Terri's condition - when they have expressed in the past that they would not want to do so.
Accoring to your ending rationale (God finishing waht he starts), everything that happens then is God' will - including Terri's husband actions. Ergo, if they remove her feeding tube and she dies, then according to you that would be God's will. why do you want to interfer?
If you will sit back and think for a second about what you are posting I hope you will realize that you have not carried your thought out to a logical conclusion.
At what point might God choose to save you? Or are you so illogical that if God doesn't work in YOUR time you would not allow him to "save" you? Or maybe God shouldn't have given man the gift of modern medicine to keep you alive for a reason that is not selfishly YOUR own!...
I am not proposing this is 100% correct, I'm just asking, have you thought about it?
You are ignoring my previously expressed point about the previously expressed wishes of an unconcious person.
If 15 years is not enough time - do you propose that I/she be artifically sustained for eternity?
Why is a feeding tube needed - to allow God time to think it over?
See this is where you have not thought it out...The feeding tube is needed to FEED HER! Do you propose that people who need oxygen be taken off of if they need it to help them breathe, I know many able people who need it!
Who's time are we talking about, hers or God's? There are many out there that have to have the same treatment that have less problems...do you propose we starve them just because they need a feeding tube?
What makes you think God doesn't want her to be fed by a feeding tube? Is it wrong in your eyes for God to want to keep her alive this way for even 15 more years...?
Are you trying to tell God what to do and how to act?
My son included...you, Normally a Lurker don't have a clue about which you speak. By all means make that assertion and your will be known by writing it down or tatooing it on your chest. But how dare you speak on the behalf of others.
Terri didn't write it down nor was there a law at the time she made her "alledged" comments to Michael and "his" family that the judge allowed for dehydration and death by starvation. IMHO, the judge erred here as well. Applying a new law that was written well after the "alledged" comment was made by her.
I wouldn't want to be disabled like my son nor Terri, but if by God's will I was, I can surely say I wouldn't want to be starved and thirsted to death. We therefore wouldn't do it to our son or our worst enemy. Just cruel and utmost inhumane way to treat anybody! Our son smiles often and is quite content in his simple but loved life. He is a blessing and has positively touched hundreds of peoples lives without saying a word. How many of us have that kind of testimony?
BTW, last week we had a stray dog show up on our property, the dog was severely malnourished, bones apparent all over. The first thing my children and I did was get some water and food for the poor thing. This all happened while Terri was starving, not because she didn't desire to be fed or drink but because people around her were barred from doing what would be natural for them to do, nourish her.
I challenge you to go for 3 days without any food or liquid, half the time Terri did and report back to us your honest experiences. Then maybe we will have something to discuss further.
Terri was able to swallow. She was able to rally receive food. I apologize, I did not mean to imply that SHE walked but rather that her family took her out on walks with them.
Obviously, you know very little of how nursing homes and long term care facilities operate?? Feeding tubes are often, sadly, placed in patients for convenience of nursing staff. The shorthandedness of help is one reason. There is a high turnover rate among CNS so it is reasonable that this was the reason that Terri had this tube inserted. Also, could be that her husband ordered this.
As to the rest of your comments and many similar ones here), I have never tried to defend her husband nor any of his actions - they are irrelivant to me. What is relevant is that IMO no one should be forced to continue living artifically when in Terri's condition - when they have expressed in the past that they would not want to do so.
No one should be forced to die either and NO ONE should be starved or dehydrated to death. I challenge you, an assumably healthy male, to go without liquid and nutrition for only a couple of days. Until you do, you cannot justify this method of death. I have stated many times that I would not want to live if I had to be on life support. Unfortunately, I did not realize that life support also included food. I do not wish to be on a ventilator BUT I do not wish to be starved to death REGARDLESS of my mental capacity.
Terri left nothing stating her desires. It is all hearsay. Terri did NOT object to her father putting his mother, her grandmother on a ventilator. As a matter of fact, Terri was very diligent about visiting and caring for her grandmother in this state while the grandmother was in a nursing facility. THIS, my friend, would have been the oportune time for Terri to make her wishes known to her family. She did not. Yet, her husband says that when HIS grandmother was in the same condition ( what are the odds of that? )that she stated "no tubes for me". This decision is based on he said she said testimony. Because there is NO clear indication of what Terri DID want, she should be aloowed to live, receive the therapy necessary to her recovery, albeit limited, and to ask HER. As it has been stated here multiple times, when in doubt err on the side of life.
Accoring to your ending rationale (God finishing waht he starts), everything that happens then is God' will - including Terri's husband actions. Ergo, if they remove her feeding tube and she dies, then according to you that would be God's will. why do you want to interfer?
If you are a believer in the bible you will note that it says, "He who has begin a good work in you is FAITHFUL to complete it". God does not do anything half way. He completes what He starts. I would say that even includes taking home one of His children. Could it be that Terri's collapse was not something that He designed? That it was at another's hands? Maybe her own, IF she was suffering from an eating disorder? You are also cognizant that there is evil on this earth as well and that man can choose to do evil rather than God's will. He allows man to choose.
Terri Schiavo is not in any misery. When her father told her that hubby had won court order to remove her feeding tube, she tried to climb out of her chair. People do awake from these states. The brain is the least understood organ in the human body.
BTW, ABC has pulled the link to its story on Patti White Bull, the woman who awoke from a 16 year coma!
This was the original link. It worked yesterday - today, it's dead!
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/miraclewoman991229.html
Patti White Bull, 42, a New Mexican woman who fell into a coma during childbirth, sat up dressed herself and asked to go to the mall this Christmas, according to her family and nursing staff.
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2000/01/06/current/fpage_9.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/miraclewoman991229.html
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