Bush Issues Ramadan Statement

VOA News ^ | October 25, 2003

[sarcasm]

The White House has issued President Bush's annual greeting to Muslims around the world who will observe the holy month of Ramadan.

In his message, President Bush says Islam is a peaceful religion that has helped shape the character of the United States, and has made great contributions to the world.

Mr. Bush said Americans cherish the freedom to worship and, he said, "we remain committed to welcoming individuals of all religions."

During Ramadan, President Bush said Muslims fast, pray, contemplate and renew their commitment to lead lives of honesty, integrity and compassion.

[CWOJackson]

"Since you can't deny the intrinsic truth about Mohammedanism, you're now hiding behind the military, taking refuge in an affectation of patriotism."

Then perhaps you should not hide behind your keyboard and visit Ft. Lewis yourself. Demonstrate your patriotism to those soldiers by looking them in the eye and telling them that their religion is bogus, or that they are less of a citizen then you are or that they can't be trusted because of their religion.

Of course you won't. You'd rather stay nice and safe behind your keyboard and monitor with your kitty cartoons.

[CWOJackson]

God, our troops are defending these...

I'd love one of these people to go up to any Jewish soldier at Ft. Lewis and spout this crap about the men and women they are serving with. I'd buy the drinks in the respective clubs afterwards.

[Snerfling]

The point is that we must separate the extremists from ordinary practitioners. Divide and conquer and all that...

[Green Conservative]

"LoL, nothing like having an Ally that would kill you as soon as the threat of force was removed. There are no True Muslim Allies, unless of course you are talking about the Muslim countries that are controlled by their own military so Islam does not take hold."

Can you really claim that there are no Muslim allies at all? Let's take the largest predominantly Muslim nation in the world for example.

Why has Indonesia captured more suspected terrorists than any other nation? Why did Indonesia refute Communism so harshly as to execute thousands of them in the 60's? Why do so many Indonesians wish to learn the English language? Why did Indonesia welcome UN troops to their nation when America requested that they get help in ending their violence in East Timor? Okay, so Indonesia questions our involvement in Iraq, but the mere questioning does not imply that they are no longer American allies.

We don't have an acid test to show which nations are allies, and which are not, but let's be real.

[Sabertooth]

Here's the problem with Islam Germans:

Here's the problem with Part I of your analogy:

Islam is a religion, and an ideology. Germans are not.

Now, if you'd said Nazism, instead of Germans, you'd have made a more accurate point, though it wouldn't have lead to the conclusion you chose.

On to Part II:

Muslims Germans who emulate Mohammed Hitler are indistinguishable from terrorists the SS.

Yes, but I'd go further than that...

Muslims Nazis, Germans, and anyone else who emulate(s) Mohammed Hitler are indistinguishable from terrorists the SS.

[CWOJackson]

And let us not forget Singapore; they are sending troops to help police Iraq unlike many Christian European nations.

[Sabertooth]

Then perhaps you should not hide behind your keyboard and visit Ft. Lewis yourself. Demonstrate your patriotism to those soldiers by looking them in the eye and telling them that their religion is bogus, or that they are less of a citizen then you are or that they can't be trusted because of their religion.

Of course you won't. You'd rather stay nice and safe behind your keyboard and monitor with your kitty cartoons.

Red herring. We're on an internet forum, discussing an issue. Rather than address the weaknesses of your position, which have been pointed out to you, you're trying to change the subject.

[CWOJackson]

You know full well that if you spouted this garbage to anyone of Ft. Lewis they would hand in major portions of your anatomy in just a few simple seconds.

Stay behind your keyboard with your kitty cartoons...it's a far, far safer place for a person with your views.

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Is this serious?

Does the president do an annual holy week message to christians during easter?

This surprises you ? That a leader of a country where religious freedom abounds would praise those religions that take part in that very freedom

[CWOJackson]

Gasp...how terrible. Next thing you know the President will be claiming that all people were created equal.

[Sabertooth]

I'd love one of these people to go up to any Jewish soldier at Ft. Lewis and spout this crap about the men and women they are serving with.

Many leaders of Islamic nations were sympathetic to the Nazis. Millions of Jews were displaced, and thousands more were murdered, by anti-Semitic Islamic nations during the 20th Century.

Flagging a few folks for more precise numbers.

[CWOJackson]

And there is more then a little evidence that the Vatican assisted Nazi war criminals in escaping from the Allies.

Perhaps we should start trashing all Catholics and their religion for being Nazi sympathizers.

[veronica]

Hitler with the grand mufti of Jerusalem. I will dig up material on their mtgs. and shared agenda.

[bereanway]

Gee, it sounds pretty similar to what Gen Boykin has stated. Is he now missing parts of his anatomy?

[Sabertooth]

You know full well that if you spouted this garbage to anyone of Ft. Lewis they would hand in major portions of your anatomy in just a few simple seconds.

You really think I'd be assaulted by any of the troops at Ft. Lewis?

Interesting. How would that support your argument?

Here's what I know: you can't address the fundamental evil at the heart of Islam, which is the character of Mohammed. That's why you keep tossing out these Ft. Lewis red herrings.

[CWOJackson]

Sound familiar but wasn't aimed at Muslim American's or his troops...and I'm sure the General would also hand anyone making accusations like this a large part of their anatomy as well.

[veronica]

And the current Pope has reached out to Jews, while the mullahs and imams are still railing against Jews, spewing poisonous venom of all sorts, like Israel was behind 9-11, blah blah blah.

[Sabertooth]

Perhaps we should start trashing all Catholics and their religion for being Nazi sympathizers.

I'm not trashing all Muslims, I'm criticizing Islam. I'm doing so because of the low character of Islam's founder, Mohammed, who was a murderer, a conqueror, and enslaver, a rapist, and a pedophile who converted others at swordoint.

Which of these things did Jesus do? Or Peter?

[CWOJackson]

Not red herring at all...simply exposing the BS behind your arguments.

The President of the United States represents all American citizens (and save you wicken BS...talk about red herrings). He does not just represent people who claim to be Christians and Jewish Americans.

He is also the Commander in Chief, not just for Christians and Jews, but also for Muslims as well.

If he sends a religous holiday message to any faith then he should send it to all faiths. To try and deny any CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES their full and proper recognition as citizens, as promised by the CONSTITUTION, is pure BS.

And I can assure you without a doubt that the men and women getting ready to go into combat together are a TEAM and any one of them would nueter any bucked tooth kitty calling their comrades fundementally evil.

But please don't take my word for that. You've got a few more days to prove the issue for yourself.

[bereanway]

Boykin's comments weren't aimed at Muslim Americans, but they were aimed squarely at Islam.