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Update: National Review: We didn't mean it about firing Gen. Boykin.
"The Corner", National Review Online ^ | 10/24/2003 | the editors

Posted on 10/24/2003 2:33:28 PM PDT by Kit

CORRECTION ON BOYKIN [NR Editors] National Review, in the issue out today, runs an editorial paragraph that it did not mean to run. We had a debate among the editors--as we debate many things--about Gen. William Boykin, who recently made some highly provocative remarks about the war on terror. Some editors felt that he should be fired forthwith; others demurred. A draft editorial paragraph was prepared, stating the position that Boykin should be fired; at just about the last minute, we decided to withhold judgment--to see how the investigation into the general’s behavior proceeded, and to reach a conclusion then.

Because of a production error, that paragraph--the one calling for Boykin’s head--went to the printer. And thus appears in the magazine. We removed it from our html edition, but about the “hard copy edition,” we could do nothing.

We will weigh in again--finally and definitively--on General Boykin, when we, along with everyone else, know all that we should know. Posted at 02:24 PM


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: army; boykin; correction; nationalreview; williamboykin
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'Bout time.
1 posted on 10/24/2003 2:33:28 PM PDT by Kit
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To: Kit; Ragtime Cowgirl; snippy_about_it
Because of a production error, that paragraph--the one calling for Boykin’s head--went to the printer. And thus appears in the magazine.

Retraction My Royal Hungarian Ass PING.

The arguement about racial slurs runs, "If you said it once, you must mean it". Therefore, if you publish it in print, you must mean it.

Say it: You loathe the military. Say it! You support the troops when they shoot their officers. Say it! SAY IT! HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU ALREADY SAID IT?

/rant

2 posted on 10/24/2003 2:40:47 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Serving You... on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: Old Sarge
Thanks for the ping, Sarge.

The press attacked Gen. Boykin for Christian comments made at a private ceremony and all but ignored the truly scandalous anti-Semitic comments (and support for them) from world leaders at a very public event the same week.

"Love thy neighbor" is not the moral equivalent of "kill the infidel."

Jihad is genocide. Inciting jihad is inciting murder.

....while many in the West voiced outrage at Mahathir's poisonous remarks, the Muslim world's official reaction ranged from utter indifference to hearty approval.

The audience to whom Mahathir spoke -- the presidents, kings, and emirs of the nations that make up the Organization of the Islamic Conference -- rewarded him with a standing ovation. The applauders included not only the Muslim world's dictatorial fanatics but also its reputed moderates, including President Megawati Sukarnoputri of Indonesia, General Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan, and Jordan's King Abdullah.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007085/posts

FYI, Bernard Goldberg (Bias) has a new book coming out in a few weeks. He believes our sick mainstream media will not survive. The American people (who matter (^;) respect the troops!

3 posted on 10/24/2003 3:01:51 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl ("2 years: tyrannies defeated,nations rescued,millions of people liberated" Rummy,10/10-AP:"FAILURE!")
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To: Kit
.....to see how the investigation into the general’s behavior proceeded, and to reach a conclusion then.

Weasels. Freedom of conscience bump.

4 posted on 10/24/2003 3:04:50 PM PDT by witnesstothefall
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To: Kit
...we decided to withhold judgment--to see how the investigation into the general’s behavior proceeded, and to reach a conclusion then.

What is being investigated? I'm not "getting" this.

5 posted on 10/24/2003 3:31:26 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Right_in_Virginia
The reporter apparently has the entire speech on tape and is refusing to release a transcript. This is much ado about very very little.
6 posted on 10/24/2003 3:33:48 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Right_in_Virginia
What is being investigated?

General Boykin has requested the Army Inspector General do an investigation. It will probably be a fair investigation, absolving Boykin of any wrongdoing.

But, Senators or Congressmen may decide to use it merely as a preliminary, and then call for their own "investigation", aka political fishing exedition, to further "clarify". They will then bring in "witnesses" like CAIR, ACLU and other such mischief-makers to blast the General, the Pentagon and the Administration and try to turn this into a Separation of Church and State issue. I look for the Democrats to push hard on this one.

7 posted on 10/24/2003 3:50:14 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Gritty
So, freedom of speech stops at the church pulpit?

Someone better tell that to the Demoncrats!!
8 posted on 10/24/2003 4:02:09 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Kit
*LOL*
9 posted on 10/24/2003 4:04:05 PM PDT by k2blader (Haruspex, beware.)
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To: Old Sarge
National Review is not anti-military.
10 posted on 10/24/2003 5:26:21 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
So, freedom of speech stops at the church pulpit?

Yes, but only for those who hold the Christian view of things or speak Biblical truth to a World full of lies.

But, if you are Jesse Jackson or bill clinton you can say whatever you want in whatever pulpit you choose and will be celebrated! But then, nothing they say is even vaguely related to actual Christianity.

This is a vicious, premeditated smear against Boykin and is not only meant to ruin him but murder the voicing of his views by any public official, views which are 100% defensible from a Biblical standpoint and have been voiced by generations of our leaders,... before they were gelded by the totalitarians of Political Correctness.

This type of thinking and action by the Left is as much a threat to our nation as the Islamists, maybe moreso.

11 posted on 10/24/2003 6:36:09 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: AmishDude
You are correct, and it is more than that. It is a number of religious events that Gen Boyken attended.....speech isn't exactly what I call participation in a religious event: I'd say testimony, presentation, sermon, etc.

They followed him to a number of events.
12 posted on 10/25/2003 11:59:05 AM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: Gritty
absolving Boykin of any wrongdoing

It won't matter. He will be LABELED a bigot/racist/anti-muslim/anti-islam radical CHRISTIAN by the media and all the left wing pundits, until the General retires or is fired or until the story just runs out of legs

The socialists scream about the separation of church and state BUT yet what this General said in a church is somehow fodder for their relentless anti-christian/military/BUSH bashing.

13 posted on 10/25/2003 12:08:01 PM PDT by PISANO
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To: Kit
This Boykin blow-up proves that liberals are against free speech and against freedom of religion. Boykin made his comments at a private gathering. For that reporter to through that kind of trouble for a gotcha means that liberals are trying every trick in the book to repeal the first amendment. They started it with CFR.

I don't think that our war against the Arab terrorists is a war against Satan, but I do think that our war against liberal liars and accusors such as this reporter and the companies he and his kind works for is. When you look at how bible prophecy describes the war against Satan, the lying, accusing press employs tactics more similar to Satan's than anybody's.

14 posted on 10/25/2003 12:17:56 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Kit
These guys are always testing the political winds before they do anything. Buckley had a good column the other day about leaks and mistakes. Be assured this isn't a mistake. They want to test the waters before standing for principle. This is good news, however, for the folks over at American Conservative. They are defending the old Christian warrior and his freedom to honor his God while he honors his country by performing his duty. Those poor neo-cons have had there day. Buckley must be fumimg to see his stalwart magazine taken over by kids.
15 posted on 10/25/2003 4:55:51 PM PDT by okiedog
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To: okiedog
I'm actually more inclined to think it was a mistake--not that the person who sent it on for publication didn't mean to do it, but rather, that Buckley et al were not at all pleased that it had been done. NR Online had a very positive article on Boykin late last week, and I suspect more positive stuff will come out as the Inspector General's Review comes to light.

I seriously doubt Buckley is unhappy with his "kids", because they're just too good and too solid. And the neo-cons, in my opinion, are just now coming into their own--which is why so many people, right and left, are really torqued about them.
16 posted on 10/25/2003 7:09:55 PM PDT by Kit ( "A graceful taunt is worth a thousand insults. " -Louis Nizer)
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To: Gritty

Jackson Family Values, Part IV:
A Chip Off the Old Block

by Nicholas Stix

A Different Drummer

November 16, 2000

In my three previous columns, I talked about a man whose contempt for federal election law and due process has led him to attempt to steal a Presidential election. His name: Jesse Jackson.

Now I want to talk about another man with a similar contempt for federal election law. His name: Jesse Jackson.

In the former case, I was talking about the Rev. Jesse Jackson, the founder and leader of PUSH (People United to Save Humanity)/Rainbow Coalition. In the latter case, I was talking about Cong. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Ill.), who has represented Chicago's Second Congressional District since 1996, and who, according to his website, was born while his father was marching in Selma, Alabama with Martin Luther King Jr.

A November 7 Newsmax.com article reported that on November 6, Congressman Jesse Jackson Jr. had bragged about all the electioneering that had been done by Democrats in black churches. On Steve Gill and Terry Hopkins' WLAC-AM show, Nashville This Morning, the following exchange occurred:

GILL: "Let me ask you about this. It's against IRS regulations for politicians to campaign from the pulpit. Why are these politicians campaigning in black churches?

JACKSON: "I'm not totally convinced that's true in the African-American community. Certainly there's a separation of church and state. But in our community there's little distinction between our religion and our politics. ... And so in many African-American churches born out of experience in this country, the role of the churches has evolved into a very, very active political institution which has been very effective for a number of causes in the black community.

HOPKINS: "And that supersedes the law?

JACKSON: "Absolutely. Oh, absolutely."

According to federal election law, churches that permit on-premise electioneering -- in other words, most black churches -- forfeit their tax-exempt status.

At WLAC-FM, the producer of Morning in Nashville, Patrick Hennessy, assured me, "It's word for word on Newsmax. That's exactly what he said. We've got it on tape."

Patrick Hennessy continued, "It was a Monday. Al Gore had been politicking in black churches," which set the stage for co-host Steve Gill's question. "What got us, was when he said, 'Absolutely. Oh, absolutely.'"

The apple didn't fall far from the tree.

Needless to say, the mainstream national media ignored the story. Meanwhile, the Chicago newspapers were apparently closed for an election-eve vacation, and the New York Times didn't find it "fit to print."

As everyone in America knows, federal laws exist as bludgeons for blacks to use on whites. As Cong. Jackson emphasized, apparently contradicting himself, "Certainly there's a separation of church and state." When you understand the race code, an apparent contradiction becomes instead a double-standard: 'Certainly there's a separation of church and state, where whites are concerned. But that doesn't hold in the African-American community.'

When was the last time blacks were punished for violating federal law? (For that matter, when was the first time?) Specifically, when have you ever heard of a black church losing its tax-exempt status for electioneering?

The Jackson family's war on the election laws is simply the logical outcome of affirmative action: If blacks are to be exempted from having to follow rules and laws that are vigorously, even draconianly applied to whites; encouraged and empowered by the government to engage in racial extortion, institutional racism, racist jury nullification, and given rigged congressional races; then they cannot be faulted for expecting to have the right to nullify a presidential election.

As Bill Clinton used to say, change is good! What about it, Rev. Jackson and Cong. Jackson? How about, for a radical change, you started honoring the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the laws of these United States?

Originally published in Toogood Reports.

17 posted on 10/25/2003 7:37:06 PM PDT by mrustow (no tag)
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To: Kit
( "A graceful taunt is worth a thousand insults. " -Louis Nizer)
Thanks Kit. I am from a different school of conservatism. You may be right about W.F.B.. Years ago he and Brent Bosell, Frederick Wilhelmson, Mel Bradford, Sobran, Buchanan and others had a kind of prudential parting of the ways. It seems to me the difference was really more theological than cultural. How do you conserve religious expression and principles in an increasingly secular culture. I will be intersted to see how the neo-cons answer it. Thanks for the good post. It was a "graceful taunt" to say the least. cheers
18 posted on 10/25/2003 7:38:44 PM PDT by okiedog
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To: okiedog
Those poor neo-cons have had there day. Buckley must be fumimg to see his stalwart magazine taken over by kids.

Last Christmas season, NR online ran a book review that said the Old Testament prophecies don't refer to a virgin birth, contrary to 2000 years of Christian doctrine. Merry Christmas from the New National Review!!!

19 posted on 10/25/2003 7:40:10 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Kit
I still like National Review, but more and more often I'm having to agree with Ann Coulter: There are some girly-boys and panty-waists over there.
20 posted on 10/25/2003 7:43:52 PM PDT by shhrubbery!
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