[El Gato]

Peace officers were never intended to be soldiers

Even soldiers may be called upon to make such distinctions. After all, they do take an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic" and to "bear true faith and allegiance to the same". Is the oath just meaningless words. The requirement to take the oath, at least for officers, (both and civil and military) is contained in the Consitutition itself. (Art. 4). The military officers' oath does not even mention obeying orders, although the enlisted oath does. And since I took the latter once and the former several times, I should know. (My retirement certificate is on the wall in front of me as I type, it doesn't relieve me of the oath, nor even remove my commision, it just transfers me to the retired reserve list)

[dasboot]

True, but disregarded by me for brevity's sake.

There's a great quote by Lincoln's VP..can't remember the name...about how it is every man's duty to uphold the Constitution as that individual understands it....

Washington and the DWM's had some to say about it , too. Something about the bulwark against tyranny, etc.

We are obliged to know and uphold..at all cost...the ideas therein (for the children). If there is a duty placed upon me that I find odious to the principles, I know what I must do. Refuse, resign, take the consequences. Liberty and justice ain't free. Ask Rosa Parks.

Oh yeah...Seward!

[archy]

The military officers' oath does not even mention obeying orders, although the enlisted oath does. And since I took the latter once and the former several times, I should know. (My retirement certificate is on the wall in front of me as I type, it doesn't relieve me of the oath, nor even remove my commision, it just transfers me to the retired reserve list)

Yep, all too true. Seven times now I've taken that oath now; twice as a cop.

But of course, in the long run, it may not matter: if the second amendment, or any other portion of the constitution is *waived*, *reinterpreted,* *suspended,* or in any other way rendered meaningless and moot by those who are first to be governed by it, then the entire document is moot, null and voided. And thereby the constitution that sworn officers is the basis for their sworn oath to preserve, protect and defend it is just as meaningless, and that consatitution, the source of the laws and rightful authority derived therefrom is equally null and void- they are police no longer, though they may have pretty uniforms to rival those of any bananna republics goons and thugs.

And at that point, it's quite literally *every man and woman for themselves.*

-archy-/-