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Lieberman Blasts General's Islam Comments
yahoo News ^ | 10/23/03 | NEDRA PICKLER

Posted on 10/23/2003 2:49:04 PM PDT by RJCogburn

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Joe Lieberman said a top Army general should be reprimanded for his criticism of Muslims, calling those comments the "mirror opposite" of Osama bin Laden's vilification of Christians and Jews.

In an interview with Associated Press reporters and editors, Lieberman said Army Lt. Gen. William Boykin should be held to account for casting the United States' fight against terrorists in religious terms with comments that were "wrong theologically" and "very bigoted."

The general, deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence, has come under widespread criticism since the Los Angeles Times reported last Thursday that he characterized the battle against Islamic terrorists as a clash between Christianity and "a guy named Satan." He espoused similar ideas in several appearances in churches, including a story in which he said he defeated a Muslim Somali warlord because "I knew my god was bigger than his. I knew that my god was a real god and his was an idol."

Lieberman said such divisive remarks could contribute to a "global theological conflict" that would endanger people throughout the world.

"That's exactly what bin Laden and al-Qaida want to do, and these remarks unfortunately give material, give fuel to the fire that bin Laden wants to start all around the world against the rest of us," the Connecticut senator said Wednesday.

Asked whether Boykin should be dismissed from his job, Lieberman quipped: "Based on his comments or on a failure to catch bin Laden? Or both?"

Lieberman said President Bush was "a bit slow" to react to Boykin's remarks as well as to a comment by Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad that "Jews rule the world by proxy."

Bush's first public response to Boykin came Wednesday, when he told reporters aboard Air Force One, en route to Australia from Indonesia, that he had repudiated the general's views in discussions with leaders of Muslim Indonesia.

"I said he didn't reflect my opinion," Bush said. "Look, it just doesn't reflect what the government thinks."

Bush's reaction to Mohamad's views about Jews came at a Pacific Rim summit in Thailand on Monday, four days after Mohamad made them at an Islamic conference. Bush told the Malaysian prime minister that his comments were "wrong and divisive," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew, said he is confident that his presidency would be judged by Muslims and others around the world by his actions, not his faith. Extremists hate all Americans, regardless of their religion, he said.

"The United States under George Bush is extremely unpopular in the world, including in the Arab-Islamic world," Lieberman said. "It has to do not with his religion, but with his policies."

In an hour-long interview Wednesday, Lieberman argued that his moderate record, national security experience and willingness to buck even Democratic special interests make him the best candidate take on Bush in 2004.

"I don't feel an obligation to walk down every path the majority of Democrats are going down or interest groups in the Democratic Party are going down if I don't think it's right for the country," Lieberman said.

His support for taxpayer-financed school vouchers, free trade and the war in Iraq have caused some critics to derisively call him a Bush-like Democrat. Lieberman said that label belongs to rising rival Wesley Clark, who recently announced his Democratic affiliation.

"I must say that since Wes Clark joined the Democratic Party and became a Democratic presidential candidate, I haven't heard many people referring to me as Bush-lite," Lieberman said. "I think by comparison I'm a lifelong Democrat."

Clark spokeswoman Kym Spell fired back: "The reason that most Democrats and most Americans see Joe Lieberman as aligned with George Bush is because many of his positions are Republican and conservative positions."

Lieberman also sided with Bush's brother, Republican Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, who ordered that a feeding tube reinserted into a brain-damaged woman. Weighing in on another medical issue, he said his first act in office would be to overturn President Bush's policy to limit scientific research involving human embryonic cells.

Lieberman said he will accept federal funds for his primary campaign and the spending limits that accompany them.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: lieberman; williamboykin

1 posted on 10/23/2003 2:49:05 PM PDT by RJCogburn
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To: RJCogburn
Lieberman says - "wrong theologically" and "very bigoted." I say, Lieberman shouldn't speak for Christian theologians and the plain truth doesn't involve bigotry. Read the Koran Joe. Then tell me what the General said that was wrong. You and your fellow RATs just want to play this into a political advantage - at the cost of losing us a proven warrior in time of battle.
2 posted on 10/23/2003 2:53:27 PM PDT by RKV
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To: RJCogburn
comments that were "wrong theologically" and "very bigoted."

What an idiot.

3 posted on 10/23/2003 2:55:19 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: RJCogburn
"...calling those comments the "mirror opposite" of Osama bin Laden's vilification of Christians and Jews"

That's quite a stretch of the imagination, even for a POS like Lieberman. He's a political whore of the worst kind.

4 posted on 10/23/2003 3:00:15 PM PDT by Paulie
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To: RJCogburn
Lieberman is right, and he does agree with Bush on this issue. He's just not a powerful, convincing speaker.
5 posted on 10/23/2003 3:01:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RJCogburn
Who cares!! The General is actually correct! Muslims see it all as a religious war and that's a fact. They will never rest until Christians and Jews are no more. Muhammed founded Islam much on pagan Arabic rituals and justified most of his whims, sexual pleasures, theft, rape, murder with "devine intervention". Muhammed himself equated Allah with the other gods that existed with the Arabic tribes which is by Islamic standards and "Unforgivable Sin". Later to be retracted and excused by Muhammed saying the devil made him do it. General, blame it on the devil and it will be ok.

Lieberman is concerned with Islamic theology. Well, Islamic and theology is a contradiction all its own.
6 posted on 10/23/2003 3:09:21 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: SQUID
From the Koran:
O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends of each other. And whoever amongst you takes them for friends he indeed is one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. [5:51]
And there is lots more of this kind of trash there.
7 posted on 10/23/2003 3:11:06 PM PDT by RKV
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To: RJCogburn
Lieberman said such divisive remarks could contribute to a "global theological conflict" that would endanger people throughout the world.

Liberal Lieberman would say and do anything to get into the White House, even selling Israel down the Jordon river and into the Dead Sea. All this guy knows is to attack anything conservative, military, or the truth.

Though there is always just one immutable G*d; with no name, whether you want to call H*m Allah, or Jesus. Since when did G*d call for the killing of women, children, and anyone who did not eat camel-crap, except in Islam? Unless there is a Muslim who can embrace his hatred of Jews and all Americans, and say that it is wrong, then they are all terrorists.

Old Patriot

8 posted on 10/23/2003 3:15:17 PM PDT by old patriot
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To: RJCogburn
Lieberclown.
9 posted on 10/23/2003 3:19:38 PM PDT by samtheman
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10 posted on 10/23/2003 3:26:21 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: RJCogburn
In an interview with Associated Press reporters and editors, Lieberman said Army Lt. Gen. William Boykin should be held to account for casting the United States' fight against terrorists in religious terms with comments that were "wrong theologically" and "very bigoted."

What a man that Lieberman is. I didn't read that he reprimanded the members of the Arab-American audience in Michigan that recently booed and called him Jew as he tried to address them.

Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew, said he is confident that his presidency would be judged by Muslims and others around the world by his actions, not his faith. Extremists hate all Americans, regardless of their religion, he said.

Yes, they hate all Americans as they hate Israel. I am not about to place any bets on who they hate more or if a combination wouldn't double their hatred though.

11 posted on 10/23/2003 3:28:07 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: RKV
With this comment Lieberman is unfit to be Commander-in-Chief. Shameful, absolutely shameful.
12 posted on 10/23/2003 3:31:02 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: RJCogburn
I agree with Boykin's statements.

But if I were in the national leadership I would be careful what I said publicly, because we are allied with several muslim countries, some above the table and some below the table. Imagine trying to do what we just did in Iraq and Afghanistan without any muslim support. No Northern Alliance, no Uzbek bases, no access to Pakistani airspace, no Bahraini port, no Qatari or Omani or Kuwaiti bases, no Jordanian land access, no Muslim intel whatever.

Boykin could have said what he said with a little sensitivity to these strategic issues, or he could have said it in civilian dress.

At the same time, though, it will come as no surprise to our muslim allies and enemies alike that some Americans are Christians. So the remarks should not be the great shocker the anti-war crowd is making them out to be. And they don't hold a candle to the venom coming out of the average mosque every week of the year.

It may embarrass the anti-war crowd that American is viewed as a Christian nation by the muslims, but their squeals of embarrassment won't change anything. The ones that like us will still like us, and the ones that hate us will still hate us. And the ones that attack us will still be looking for a place to hide. Boykin's remarks are really not that big a deal.
13 posted on 10/23/2003 3:34:02 PM PDT by marron
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To: KC_Conspirator
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216

14 posted on 10/23/2003 3:40:43 PM PDT by RKV
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To: RJCogburn
He called a spade a spade. Get a life Joe.
15 posted on 10/23/2003 5:58:42 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: RightWhale
No! Lieberman is not right! In the first place, the General never spoke against "Islam" - he spoke against THE TERRORISTS!! That's a big leap to Islam. What if the terrorists would have been Baptists - would that have made all Baptists evil .. I don't think so!

The reason Boykin is being attacked is because he is "evangelical" - the same as Ashcroft!! That's the whole issue in a nutshell.
16 posted on 10/23/2003 6:04:25 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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To: CyberAnt
He is under attack because he spoke in uniform.
17 posted on 10/23/2003 7:00:49 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: RightWhale; xzins
From another thread:


To: dogbyte12; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; AppyPappy; rdb3; LiteKeeper

Absolutely wrong.

Every soldier has a 100% right to worship in uniform in the church and/or chapel of his choice in the style of worship he/she freely chooses.

I know.

Xzins
Chaplain (Retired) US Army

63 posted on 10/23/2003 10:56 AM EDT by xzins (Proud to be Army!)
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18 posted on 10/23/2003 7:09:22 PM PDT by k2blader (Haruspex, beware.)
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To: RightWhale
Well .. that may be part of it .. but he was in a church .. and did not make his statements while in his official capacity. I don't think wearing his uniform in church qualifies.
19 posted on 10/23/2003 7:11:33 PM PDT by CyberAnt
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