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To: CSM
Sounds like the owner of the independent contractor business is to blame!

I've seen the way these "cleaning contracts" work, a friend asked me to evaluate the situation for him 20 years ago, when he was thinking about getting into the business.

Some sharpie from a "business brokerage" goes around and gets cleaning contracts from businesses. The sharpie "sells" the contract to an independent contractor for an outrageous fee, then handles billing for them for another outrageous permanent monthly fee. The IC ends up making little or nothing for quite some time. Often, the only way to make it work is to hire illegal aliens, usually the only people duped into buying these "business opportunites" are people who are just barely here legally themselves, they often have connections to find illegals who will do the backbreaking work for nearly nothing. The sharpie who brokers the cleaning contract can pull it away from the IC on the flimsiest of reasons, and surely selling it to another sucker is one of those reasons. Needless to say, I advised my friend not to get involved with this.

In short, somebody unsophisticated enough to fall for the cleaning contract scam is generally going to be unconcerned with immigration law. I do hold the firms who contract with the sharpies responsible, if they just simply hired their own cleaning crews, they would have control over legal immigration status. These are good jobs for people coming off of welfare, and by just handing it off to somebody willing to exploit immigrants and the illegals they know the immigrant will hire, they contribute to the problem of encouraging the penetration of our borders.

33 posted on 10/23/2003 9:01:11 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: hunter112
Sounds like the owner of the independent contractor business is to blame!

I've seen the way these "cleaning contracts" work, a friend asked me to evaluate the situation for him 20 years ago, when he was thinking about getting into the business.

Some sharpie from a "business brokerage" goes around and gets cleaning contracts from businesses. The sharpie "sells" the contract to an independent contractor for an outrageous fee, then handles billing for them for another outrageous permanent monthly fee. The IC ends up making little or nothing for quite some time. Often, the only way to make it work is to hire illegal aliens, usually the only people duped into buying these "business opportunites" are people who are just barely here legally themselves, they often have connections to find illegals who will do the backbreaking work for nearly nothing. The sharpie who brokers the cleaning contract can pull it away from the IC on the flimsiest of reasons, and surely selling it to another sucker is one of those reasons. Needless to say, I advised my friend not to get involved with this.

In short, somebody unsophisticated enough to fall for the cleaning contract scam is generally going to be unconcerned with immigration law. I do hold the firms who contract with the sharpies responsible, if they just simply hired their own cleaning crews, they would have control over legal immigration status. These are good jobs for people coming off of welfare, and by just handing it off to somebody willing to exploit immigrants and the illegals they know the immigrant will hire, they contribute to the problem of encouraging the penetration of our borders.

Thanks for the info. I have to disagree with you about responsibility. Even if Walmart hired the cleaners at minimum wage, the cost of benefits makes these workers more expensive than outsourcing to a contract agency. You can't hold a company responsible for seeking out the minimum cost labor.

Once Walmart hires the agency, they are not responsible for the source of the agency's workers. If the only way to make money is to break the law, the company shouldn't be in business. If no one pays for the "outrageous contracts", the price goes down. The bottom line is, people have to obey the law. Even if you're doing good to the economy as a migrant laborer, you have to follow our immigration laws. Or be deported. My question is, why aren't the illegals immediately deported?

55 posted on 10/23/2003 9:17:06 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Praying for the Kingdom of God.)
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To: hunter112
I have negotiated many "contract labor" contracts and the bottom line is that the benefits of dealing with contract labor is the flexibility that comes with it. The hiring, firing, personnell record management, tax management, etc. are all part of the package deal. A company hires contract labor by paying a contract company to perform all functions of providing that labor. It has to be assumed that the company you pay for that service is at minimum obeying the laws of the appropriate levels of government. Why should any company be blamed for the practices that the management of a hired company undertake? The whole point of the agreement is that that contract company would undertake this responsibility and receive compensation for those activities.
60 posted on 10/23/2003 9:18:47 AM PDT by CSM (Congrats to Flurry and LE!)
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To: hunter112
Sounds like the owner of the independent contractor business is to blame!

No your Congress is to blame.

242 posted on 10/23/2003 12:44:06 PM PDT by itsahoot (The lesser of two evils, is evil still...Alan Keyes)
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