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To: Havoc
Thus there must be a non subjective basis for morality. Personal opinion is subjective and a moving target.

The problem here is that morality is a personal decision. Society should not attempt to coerce virtue- forced virtue is not virtue at all.

185 posted on 10/24/2003 9:17:18 AM PDT by Modernman ("I'm just a simple man, trying to make my way in the universe."- Jango Fett)
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To: Modernman
The problem here is that morality is a personal decision. Society should not attempt to coerce virtue- forced virtue is not virtue at all.

Yet we outlaw murder, rape, etc. Laws don't necessarily stop things from happening. They can be preventive; but, they define what course we take as a society when people act in an unacceptable way. Thus it isn't neccessarily legislating virtue. It's defining how to deal with vice. And society does have a right to reasonable expectations as to individual behavior. Your freedoms end where those of another begin. I see it as my right to defend my family from immorality. Lets say you decide you should be able to sleep with anyone you want to and set eyes on my daughter to charm her into bed. Do I have rights? Does she? Or do you just get to run about impregnating anyone you wish while society foots the bill? Many questions arise very quickly showing it not to be as simple an issue as it may appear - for either side. Unless - you have a moral grounding to begin with. Do you have a right to violate my daughter - no. Do I have a right to stop you from doing it - yes. Should there be a law, maybe. Now take that same issue to a group of atheists. Ask some pornographers.. etc. Ask Gene Simmons for that matter. Opinions vary - right and wrong does not. It will always be wrong to commit murder. To some people, though, Murder is their right..

201 posted on 10/24/2003 9:46:22 AM PDT by Havoc (If you can't be frank all the time are you lying the rest of the time?)
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