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DREAM Act is a Dream Come True for Illegal Aliens
Ever Vigilant ^ | 10/23/2003 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 10/23/2003 5:04:52 AM PDT by sheltonmac

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To: mrsmith
What about the illegal parents of the Illegal child in school? I suppose you think they should also be able to stay here, because after all, we can't send the parents home and keep the kid here by themself. How about the kid's little brother or sister who has only been here 4 years or less than 5 years, do you also want to keep them here? What about the kid's uncle and grandparents who are also living with the kid? I'm sure you would want them to stay so as not to break up the happy family.

What if the Illegal kid has only been here 3 years or 4 years or 4 1/2 years and is in school? I guess you would want them to stay since they "really haven't broken the law."

Where does it end? You are missing the fact that they shouldn't even be in the country to get into school in the first place. How about if we ask for proof of citizenship before even enrolling in the school system from the very first day. Not a citizen, no school, deported. End of story.
21 posted on 10/23/2003 10:51:26 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: mrsmith
They were minors.

Oh, so minors cannot break the law? They shouldn't be in the country to get into school!

22 posted on 10/23/2003 10:55:04 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
"What about the illegal parents of the Illegal child in school? I suppose you think ..."
Find someone who cares what you "suppose" they think.

Requirement for permanent residency:
"(i) The alien has acquired a degree from an institution of higher education or has been a student in good standing for at least 2 years in a program for a bachelor's degree or higher degree.
(ii) The alien has served in the Armed Forces of the United States for at least 2 years and, if discharged, has received an honorable discharge.
(iii) The alien has performed at least 910 hours of volunteer community service in a program of an organization that has been determined to be eligible to receive funds from the Combined Federal Campaign administered by the United States Office of Personnel Management or a program approved by the Secretary of Homeland Security in consultation with the Director of U.S.A. Freedom Corps. "

The "community service" loophole should be dropped, but otherwise this is just the kind of immigrant we DO want.
The temporary conditional status of six years should be shortened.

23 posted on 10/23/2003 11:07:37 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
These minors are collecting WIC til age of 5, free health care, free housing, free education. Shouldn't we be good hearted and take in the minors from all over the world?

24 posted on 10/23/2003 11:08:25 AM PDT by texastoo
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To: texastoo
Ah, the non-sequitur- always a delight.
25 posted on 10/23/2003 11:12:43 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
this is just the kind of immigrant we DO want.

The kind of immigrant we want is the kind who comes here legally, through the front door, not by breaking down the back door.

Let me restate:

You are missing the fact that they shouldn't even be in the country to get into school in the first place. How about if we ask for proof of citizenship before even enrolling in the school system from the very first day. Not a citizen, no school, deported. End of story.

It is the same with the drivers license for illegals issue. There should be no discussion about the need for a license or issuing a license, because the illegals should not be in the country in the first place to apply for the license.

You do not reward illegal behavior, it only begets more illegal behavior.

26 posted on 10/23/2003 11:13:44 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Puppage
What would you say Dubya is doing to help with this particular issue?
27 posted on 10/23/2003 11:14:43 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: mrsmith
The Bill:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

SEC. 2. DEFINITION OF INSTITUTION OF HIGHER EDUCATION.

SEC. 3. RESTORATION OF STATE OPTION TO DETERMINE RESIDENCY FOR PURPOSES OF HIGHER EDUCATION BENEFITS.

SEC. 4. CANCELLATION OF REMOVAL AND ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS OF CERTAIN LONG-TERM RESIDENTS WHO ENTERED THE UNITED STATES AS CHILDREN.

(1) if the alien demonstrates that the failure to timely return to the United States was due to exceptional circumstances. The exceptional circumstances determined sufficient to justify an extension should be no less compelling than serious illness of the alien, or death or serious illness of a parent, grandparent, sibling, or child.

SEC. 5. CONDITIONAL PERMANENT RESIDENT STATUS.

in the United States during the period in which the petition is pending.

SEC. 6. RETROACTIVE BENEFITS UNDER THIS ACT.

SEC. 7. EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION.

SEC. 8. PENALTIES FOR FALSE STATEMENTS IN APPLICATION.

SEC. 9. CONFIDENTIALITY OF INFORMATION.

SEC. 10. EXPEDITED PROCESSING OF APPLICATIONS; PROHIBITION ON FEES.

SEC. 11. GAO REPORT.


28 posted on 10/23/2003 11:15:11 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: gubamyster
"You are missing the fact that they shouldn't even be in the country to get into school in the first place."
No, neither am I missing the point that it is not their fault that they are here illegally.

"How about if we ask for proof of citizenship before even enrolling in the school system from the very first day."
Fine with me, there obviously isn't the political will to do so however.

29 posted on 10/23/2003 11:19:00 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
No, neither am I missing the point that it is not their fault that they are here illegally.

It may not be their fault, but they are criminals nonetheless. If there are no incentives (like free, American education for the children) for illegals, they will not come. Begin deporting them, and others will not want to come.

You so easily dismissed my previous questions. So I'll ask again. Under your plan, what would you do with those who do not fit the requirements? Would you keep the illegal kid who qualifies & deport his parents, other siblings who don't qualify, uncles, grandparents...? What if the kid is a day, or a month, or a few months short of qualifying? I draw it with the laws on the books. If illegal, then deported.

30 posted on 10/23/2003 11:27:06 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster
"What about the illegal parents"

Sec 4 (a) ...(F) The Secretary of Homeland Security may waive the grounds of ineligibility under section 212(a)(6) of the Immigration and Nationality Act and the grounds of deportability under paragraphs (1), (3), and (6) of section 237(a) of that Act for humanitarian purposes or family unity or when it is otherwise in the public interest.

Another loophole that should be taken out. Once the kid got into college or trade school this would be used to block removal of the parents.

31 posted on 10/23/2003 11:30:12 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Jack Wilson; Barnacle
So someone who snuck into the country gets a tuition break but my kids don't.

Yes, that is the "Deal" our fine RepublicRAT legislators are working on to send to the president for passage. Sickening isn't it?

Their message to American Citizens is: Shut Up! Get in the back of the line. And pay your Taxes...Or Else.

This is Tyranny in Action. The Sad Truth is our Government(s) no longer represents its Citizens any longer. They have become a power unto themselves.

Want to stop the madness? Vote out every RINO and Dim that supports this Treason in any way, shape or form.

32 posted on 10/23/2003 11:33:07 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: gubamyster
My view: deport any illegal alien except in extreme cases. I don't see any point in further questions about my view.
Politically, my view will not hold sway.

Frankly I'm surprised there already isn't a mechanism for long-resident children to obtain legal status at their majority.

33 posted on 10/23/2003 11:36:37 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
My view: deport any illegal alien except in extreme cases.

I guess I don't see an illegal getting at least 5 years of free education in America as an extreme case. Frankly they should be extremely lucky and grateful they got by with it for as long as they did. Ask for citizenship on day one of enrolling, and if the kid doesn't have proof, then they and their family are out of here.

34 posted on 10/23/2003 11:48:32 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster; FoxFang; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; CheneyChick; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; ...
Hey Hatch, ever dawn on you many American's have yet to see the American Dream? Why do you think homeschooling has flourished?!Dream this!

Was going to post his info but senate.gov is down?


35 posted on 10/23/2003 11:49:48 AM PDT by JustPiper (18 of 19 Hijackers had State issued Driver's License's !!!)
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To: gubamyster
"I guess I don't see an illegal getting at least 5 years of free education in America as an extreme case. "
Someone already beat you to the non-sequitur for this thread.

Well, at least there's the bill for anyone who cares to look at it.

36 posted on 10/23/2003 11:55:04 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: mrsmith
Only in America do illegals get rewarded.

What a country!!!!!!
37 posted on 10/23/2003 12:00:32 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: mrsmith
Only in America do I see illegals crossing the border for free breakfasts, free lunches, free education.

What a country!!!!!!!


38 posted on 10/23/2003 12:06:34 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: sheltonmac
Dubya ought to read the Luntz report that Georgie Anne Geyer writes about and then think about abolishing our borders. Davis got canned because of the liberal "ban the borders" mentality will the Dubya be the next to fall?
39 posted on 10/23/2003 12:10:16 PM PDT by junta (Xenophobia a perfectly reasonable response to the feckless stupidity of globalism.)
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To: JustPiper
Was going to post his info but senate.gov is down?

Numbers U.S.A. is locked up too. Wonder if there is a connection? heh heh.

People are fed up with our so-called elected representatives selling America and its Citizens down the river to reward special interests. I think our politicos have a rude awakening in store for them. The CA recall was just the beginning.

40 posted on 10/23/2003 12:17:22 PM PDT by WRhine
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