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To: Libertina
Is it true, as I've seen reported, that Arab Americans cast a majority of their votes for Bush in 2000 -- a number that might have been the difference in his winning Florida? Why do Republicans want to brand all Arab-Americans as terrorists or Satanists, or the like? Bush apparently doesn't share this desire - - and it's hard to blame him if they did indeed help put him in the White House.

If only Jewish Americans would start voting Republican in similar numbers! Bush is -- rightly -- a friend of Israel. It would be nice to see the monolothic Jewish support for left-wing Democrats start changing. But here on Freerepublic, it's not PC to say such a thing - - one can only rant and rave about Arabs.

9 posted on 10/23/2003 12:09:14 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff
Why do Republicans want to brand all Arab-Americans as terrorists or Satanists, or the like?

Nobody on this thread has done so. But Norquist's activist pals are pretty sketchy to say the least. The AMC and NCPPF, as you can read in the article, are both founded by terrorists/sympathizers. Many of the activist Arab groups do not attempt to hit their anti-Semitism; they should rightly be condemned along with all other racist groups.

Doesn't mean that Ahmed from down the street is a terrorist, and Malkin didn't say so.

26 posted on 10/23/2003 7:43:21 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (Red Sox in 2004)
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To: churchillbuff
Is it true, as I've seen reported, that Arab Americans cast a majority of their votes for Bush in 2000 -- a number that might have been the difference in his winning Florida?

You must remember that the source for this "fact" is none other than Grover Nordquisling himself!

As a Floridian who worked for Bush at Ground Zero in Palm Beach during Election 2000, I can tell you with great certaintly that the difference in that election was the Florida Chapter of FR - not Nordquisling!

Yes, you may quote me as the primary source for this "fact" as I was there.

OK, OK, perhaps a bit of hyperbole but I must say that I never did see Grover down there in Florida during that period of time.

Maybe, he was vacationing in Saudi Arabia at the time!

27 posted on 10/23/2003 8:17:52 AM PDT by Seeking the truth (McDonald Clan - Hired Mercenary - Have Bullhorn - Will Shout for Brew!)
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To: churchillbuff
I agree with you about the Jewish vote. It's difficult for me to understand how a segment of the population could vote for those who support their enemies. But I think it is just a liberal trait. Liberals in American still don't believe that "they" would be targeted by terrorists - only bad conservatives. In fact, after September 11th, one lib commented that the terrorists didn't even hit the "right" people. Just clueless.
29 posted on 10/23/2003 9:35:35 AM PDT by Libertina (Steadfast loyalty - The sign of a true friend and leader.)
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To: churchillbuff
Is it true, as I've seen reported, that Arab Americans cast a majority of their votes for Bush in 2000 -- a number that might have been the difference in his winning Florida? Why do Republicans want to brand all Arab-Americans as terrorists or Satanists, or the like? Bush apparently doesn't share this desire - - and it's hard to blame him if they did indeed help put him in the White House.
Norquist sees that Muslim-Americans are indeed natural allies of the GOP and conservatives. For the most part they are small entrepreneurs, more willing to work long hours than depend on handouts. They are also socially conservative. As for their religion, even the most devout chose to live in America for a reason, and more often than not that reason is a distaste for Islamic governance. There's a reason the 911 hijackers avoided Muslim-American communities: they would not have blended in.

Unfortunately there are those who, for whatever reason, hate Islam in general, and their views have gained some ground in the conservative community, to our potential electoral detriment. Norquist has been fighting this, and now the Islamophobes are targetting him.

It amazes me sometimes that those who were so willing to trust President Bush regarding Iraq (as I was) are not only unwilling to trust him but are quite willing to assign him nefarious motives regarding Islam in general, the West Bank/Gaza, and now Grover Norquist.

-Eric

30 posted on 10/23/2003 9:47:16 AM PDT by E Rocc (Collectivism is to freedom as raw sewage is to fresh water.)
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To: churchillbuff
Is it true, as I've seen reported, that Arab Americans cast a majority of their votes for Bush in 2000 -- a number that might have been the difference in his winning Florida?

Pollster John Zogby says there is not a great deal of information on Muslim voting, but "my data indicates that it was tilted Democratic in 2000. It went more for Gore and Nader than for Bush." Michael Barone, author of the authoritative Almanac of American Politics, argues that it is impossible to draw an accurate picture of Muslim voters, given the lack of exit-poll information. As for the claim that Muslims gave Bush his winning margin, Barone says simply, "Any 538 voters in Florida can claim credit for winning the presidency for Bush."

it's not PC to say such a thing - - one can only rant and rave about Arabs.

I've seen that commented on often, both on FR and on Little Green Footballs, a decidedly pro-Jewish/anti-Muslim site. The same (decidedly Democratic) can be said of the Catholic vote.

As far as ranting and raving about Arabs, you're painting with a mighty big brush here. The majority of Muslims worldwide are not Arabs, and the majority of Americans of Arab descent are Christian, and not Muslim, as the inaptly named Arab-American League would have you believe.

Norquist is not courting Arabs, he is courting Muslims, including organizations with questionable motives and activities, and Muslim leaders, such as the two that are currently under arrest. He used Al-Arian and his brother-in-law as poster boys against "secret evidence" in the '90's: one has since been deported and the other is in jail for leading the U.S. branch of Islamic Jihad. The Islamic Institute, which Norquist co-founded with Suffari (who used to work for Alamoudi), accepted a $10,000 gift and a $10,000 loan from Alamoudi, an avowed Hamas and Hezbollah supporter who is now in jail for attempting to smuggle money into Syria, and is suspected of recruiting militant Islamics for the U.S. Chaplain Corps.

I really thought that once Norquist's Muslim pals (who've been under investigation for years) got nabbed, he'd put a lid on it. Instead, he throws in his lot with Alex Baldwin and assorted other Bush-bashing malcontents.

The man is either unbalanced, dangerous, or both.

33 posted on 10/23/2003 2:06:30 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: churchillbuff
Is it true, as I've seen reported, that Arab Americans cast a majority of their votes for Bush in 2000 -- a number that might have been the difference in his winning Florida?

You could say the same thing of any and every majority Republican-voting group in Florida. Let's try this one on for size: Is it true, as I've seen reported, that Christian Evangelicals cast a majority of their votes for Bush in 2000 -- a number that might have been the difference in his winning Florida?

And the answer is ... Yes!

Why do Republicans want to brand all Arab-Americans as terrorists or Satanists, or the like?

Because they worship the religion of terror/Satan?

Bush apparently doesn't share this desire - - and it's hard to blame him if they did indeed help put him in the White House.

Bush can't say publicly what he thinks of Islam, because he figured out immediately (no thanks to Grover Norquist or Karl Rove) that waging the War on Terror has required that we get some Muslims to help us rout other Muslims. But even in those Muslim countries that have given us some support, most of the people hate us.

If only Jewish Americans would start voting Republican in similar numbers!

True. But that is changing, because of a combination of Bush's positives (which include education, as well as support of Israel) and Dem anti-Semitism.

Bush is -- rightly -- a friend of Israel. It would be nice to see the monolothic Jewish support for left-wing Democrats start changing. But here on Freerepublic, it's not PC to say such a thing - - one can only rant and rave about Arabs.

Let's see -- who was it that attacked us on 911, and who cheered the attacks 'round the world?

47 posted on 12/11/2003 6:24:17 PM PST by mrustow
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To: churchillbuff
First, define "majority" of Arab Americans that supported Bush in 2000? 50%...55%?

The "rest" are probably terrorist sympathizers and conspirators that use our own kindness and stupidity to kill us.

Boy, I bet if Norquist was hanging around the KKK, people like you would have a fit. But if he's hanging around radical Islamists that help, fund and support terrorism, you want to give him an award because they have cute names like CAIR.

48 posted on 12/11/2003 6:40:27 PM PST by Fledermaus (Fascists, Totalitarians, Baathists, Communists, Socialists, Democrats - what's the difference?)
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