Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

U.S. to back Russia's UN resolution endorsing road map
Haaretz ^ | 23/10/2003 05:14 | Aluf Benn

Posted on 10/22/2003 10:21:02 PM PDT by yonif

Russia will soon call on the United Nations Security Council to adopt the road map as the accepted international plan to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Moscow also proposes that the Quartet (Russia, the UN, the European Union, and the U.S.) be acknowledged as a mediator in the dispute. The United States is expected to back the proposal, which should be approved without difficulty. Russia brought up the proposal several months ago, at which time Washington deferred support for it. Now, in view of Russia's support for Security Council resolutions on Iraq, the U.S. government is not inclined to oppose Russia's position on the road map.

Israel opposes the Russian proposal fearing that it would "internationalize" the dispute. Also, Israeli officials regard the acceptance of such a proposal under the current circumstances as a sign of support for Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat. Despite these reservations, Israel will not take steps against passage of the UN resolution.

On Wednesday, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon met with U.S. Ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer. The Bush administration wants Israel to ease pressure in the territories for humanitarian reasons. Washington also is asking Israel to allow freedom of movement in the territories in the hope that such measures will cultivate support for PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia (Abu Ala) as he consolidates his government.

A U.S. official said Wednesday that during the recent holiday period Israel typically beefs up security measures, "but after the Sukkot holiday, once again the question arises as to how the Palestinian population is to live - under tight security restrictions or with some relief."

The U.S. government is working closely with Abu Ala and quietly trying to help him. As the Americans see it, the key test of the new prime minister's authority will be his ability to unify and impose control over the PA's security branches.

Implementation of the road map plan will resume as soon as a responsible PA government takes hold, the official said.

The FBI team that is investigating last week's terror attack in the Gaza Strip in which three American security personnel were killed took another tour of the Gaza Strip on Wednesday. It is too early to determine who carried out the bomb attack, the U.S. official said, but there is no doubt the strike was aimed against Americans. The FBI team wants the PA to clarify whether the people it detained after the attack are suspects or are being held and interrogated with the hope that they will point to real suspects.

On Thursday, an American team of experts on airportsecurity will begin examining Israel's plans to construct a security fence east of Ben-Gurion International Airport. The team will scrutinize Jerusalem's contention that the fence must be built east of the Beit Aryeh settlement in order to keep shoulder-launched missiles out of the airport's range.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: israel; nationalsuicide; roadmaptosuicide; russia; terrorpays; us; waronterrorism

1 posted on 10/22/2003 10:21:03 PM PDT by yonif
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SJackson; Yehuda; Nachum; Paved Paradise; Mr. Mojo; Thinkin' Gal; Bobby777; adam_az; Alouette; ...
During the first 24 weeks since the Road Map was issued, there have been a total of 579 Palestinian Arab terrorist attacks or attempted attacks, in which 115 people were murdered and 621 wounded.

Terror pays I guess.

Onward with the roadmap to yet another terror state on Israel's doorstep.

2 posted on 10/22/2003 10:22:35 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: All

Poll: 59% of Palestinians support continuation of terror after state is created


3 posted on 10/22/2003 10:24:19 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: yonif
Yes but question now: if terror continue after state created and easily proven that driven by governing bodies, will not then State of War created? If so, will not IDF have right to attack and depose and democratize Palies? Then Israel take US approach. Basically this issue Israeli fault totally. If Israel had balls it give world Fate Accompli...by remove of terrorist leadership or kicking out of Islamic palies from territories and push them to other neighbors while declare territory annexed. Do it fast and what world do? Well but complain? No arab dictator crazy to go to war with nuclear Israel. Also busy dealings with large group armed islamic palistinians...remember Black September in Jordan? But if done must be done with full force and speed and total resolve...something your leadership not have in long time.
4 posted on 10/23/2003 7:34:38 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: RussianConservative
Is there not a state of war existing between Israel and the Syrian and its puppet Lebanese government through Hizbullah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad sponsorship? Do you see anyone support Israel to go after these bodies? No. Just take, for starters, that Israeli airforce attack in Syria. The whole world went up in flames against Israel. What you have are terrorists operating in these independent states attack Israel, while operating behind UN "peace keepers" in Lebanon. Israel cannot afford to have such a condition a few miles away from its population centers, a condition it will never have support ending even after the "palestinians" have a state.

Israel can do what is right and destroy these terror groups and their brainwashing infrastructure. However, the US forbids Israel from doing so, because it wants its fake roadmap to "peace."

5 posted on 10/23/2003 7:41:43 AM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: yonif
Then Israel need stop whining and hoping other nations love them and just do it. They show all they are weak of will and then complain attacked? Of all peoples the Israeli should know mind of Arab Islamic...just attack...what European nation will go to war for sake of Syria or PLO? Don't wind this out to make demonstrations in front of Arafat and boost his image...just kill bastard and that it. Israel has no balls now, just neutered dog that occassionally snaps back at those who kick it.
6 posted on 10/23/2003 9:08:30 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: yonif
However, the US forbids Israel from doing so, because it wants its fake roadmap to "peace."

That is not but excuse of spineless Israeli leadership...no no we not want make unpopular decisions or risky ones, we blame Washington. Just do it, end of story. Most Christians in world will support, both in Russia and USA and then leaders not have choice. All those old bags of gas in Israeli government just use this for excuse.

7 posted on 10/23/2003 9:10:25 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: RussianConservative
Israel doing this will make the whole world pissed off. They will start making moves in the UN to send in "peace keepers." The US not wanting to lose face with its allies in Iraq will not veto the Security Council resolution. "peace keepers" go in and there goes Israel.
8 posted on 10/23/2003 10:44:24 AM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: yonif
So, first this going to happen regardless...much less likely to happen if problem "solved" by Fate Accompli. Peace keepers to police who? When Palies gone from West Bank, nothing to police. Further, other regions to unstable from influx of palies to care. Look, you got Peacekeepers on 2 of 4 border: Sinani, Lebanon. Arab will push regardless when they see you weak and you paint perfect picture of morally weak. What amaze me is you Israeli after 50 years still not understand Arab Islamic mentality: it based on tribalism and power. They only respect power, when Isreal show teeth they back off but you Israeli not have spine to keep showing teeth...you growel when kicked but then stick tongue out and lick kicker again. So he kick you again...other then immediate snap and growl, he know he can keep doing this and you not chase him down or attack in sustained way.

How peacekeeper sent in if you say no? Hmm? UN going to invade? Please, that joke. Israel itself will let peacekeeper in...Arab Islamics take you apart one chunk at a time and kick you all the time and you no longer morally strong to stand up. Either fight or die but do one or other, this stupidity make for old show reruns...oh and hint: blowing up empty building....soooooo impressive...try making target bit more worthwhile, missiles not cheap.

9 posted on 10/23/2003 12:16:15 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: RussianConservative
They will do what they did in East Timor. Going into the West Bank and Gaza and bringing the former occupants back in. Israel will not fire upon UN troops and will simply withdraw.

The Arab will support the UN being there, because they will be able to operate against Israel (like Hizbullah does) under the cover of UN troops.
10 posted on 10/23/2003 12:18:52 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: yonif
And this different from what now is becoming situation how? They come in to East Timore only because Indonesia allow it. Officially annex territory. Look, you have piss image anyways, Arabs accuse you of all things and half world believes everything they say. If you act only half as bad as Arab accuse, you can get away with this, and image not change for worse, it already krap. You Israeli worry to damned much about what other think. You get prison raped and raped and do nothing. This is chance of survival, what you have is just long death.
11 posted on 10/23/2003 12:21:48 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: RussianConservative
And this different from what now is becoming situation how?

Now there is no UN there between PLO terror areas and Israel. Israel has most of the favor of the US which blocks such moves which undermine Israeli soverignty.

Israel is not scared about fighting the Arabs. It has done so many times. The current leaders are scared they will lose the support of the US. That is why they don't tear up this roadmap. That is why Arafat is still breathing. That is why they never went on to finish killing off the aggressive Arab governments in the wars of 1948, 1967, 1973 and 1982.

Regarding East Timor, you are right Indonesia allowed them in. But the UN would have gone in with or without their permission.

Israel will not get away with this. The US will go against her in public if she does such a thing. You must remember that it was not until 1973 that the US started giving Israel aid. It had an arms embargo on Israel in 1948, when Israel was fighting off the Arabs!

However, there are exceptions. When Israel bombed the Iraqi atomic reactor in 1981, the whole world including the US criticized Israel. But in the end, the US did nothing to Israel.

12 posted on 10/23/2003 12:32:26 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: yonif
I know Israel has fought but that was past this is now and now seems quite different. Israeli leadership of both sides but old windbags with no life and energy in them, just fear and excuses.

Now there is no UN there between PLO terror areas and Israel. Israel has most of the favor of the US which blocks such moves which undermine Israeli soverignty.

That is thin gruel you live on. What happens when Bush not in office? What happens if American socialists take power? Or more Arab friendlies? You best cover own butt and worry what best for self and not count on other nations looking for you. I would also work on good relations with Russia and Serbia and Greece and Italy and India. Spread your chance better...beside with Russia you have 3 million Russian in Israel...think math...if each have average of 10 peoples who care about them still in Russia, that 30 million peoples, almost 1/4 country, that is powerful lobby...bigger then any in US.

13 posted on 10/23/2003 12:58:53 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: yonif
By way, in '48 that was Soviet pilots flying for Isreal and weapon come from Stalin. Politics change things change, can not count on only 1 country as aid...better wean self off aid.
14 posted on 10/23/2003 1:00:27 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: yonif
But the UN would have gone in with or without their permission.

And done what? Fight Indonesia? UN not entity, it not own own army. You think Pakistani/Indians (biggest contingent) want war with Indonesia? Or Australia for that matter?

15 posted on 10/23/2003 1:01:50 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson