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Former Chief Navy Counsel Alleges Cover-Up by LBJ of 1967 Israeli Attack on U.S. Ship
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Posted on 10/22/2003 5:25:49 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Thorin
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:22:59 PM PDT
by
yonif
("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
To: Poohbah
You might find this article,
Pilot who bombed 'Liberty' talks to 'Post, interesting, particularly as relates to the "identification" process, particularly
This ship positively did not have any symbol or flag that I could see. What I was concerned with was that it was not one of ours. I looked for the symbol of our navy, which was a large white cross on its deck. This was not there, so it wasn't one of ours... I checked what I had to check [i.e. that it was a military ship and not one of ours] and pulled the trigger,
To: Thorin
Right, eleven US investigations, and every US President since Johnson, including Nixon, Reagan, Ford and both Bush's (assuming you're an R) are shills for the Jews.
Shameful, Thorin.
To: SJackson
The American sailors who survived the attack have stated that the Libery was flying the American flag.
Anyone wanting to learn about this attack should visit the detailed and exhaustive website maintained by the survivors of the attack at http://www.ussliberty.org
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:30:27 PM PDT
by
Thorin
To: SJackson
Those on record as stating the attack was deliberate include former Chairman of the Joint Cheifs Admiral Moorer, former head of the National Security Agency Adm. Inman, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency Richard Helms, and former Secretary of State Dean Rusk, as well as the American survivors of the attack. All anti-Semites, eh? <
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:33:54 PM PDT
by
Thorin
To: TheOtherOne
"Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States into the 1967 war."
Plausible, keep us stuck in the middle of their shiite.
To: Thorin; SJackson
The American sailors who survived the attack have stated that the Libery was flying the American flag.OK, your closest point of approach is 1,000 feet, and you're moving at eight miles per minute--over two football fields PER SECOND. You're also approaching the target along its longitudinal axis to maximize your chances of hitting the target if you ID it as hostile--and, incidentally, making it damn near impossible to see the flag if it's streaming straight aft. Your primary recognition cue for a friendly ship is a large white cross painted on the deck.
Oh, BTW, the price tag for going too low and slow over an enemy ship is getting shot down.
Make the call. You can't see the flag unless it's flapping off to the side just as you make your approach. There's no white cross on the deck that conclusively IDs the ship as a friendly.
Make the call.
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:35:28 PM PDT
by
Poohbah
("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
To: Thorin
Sorry, you need to defend your statements. I'm aware of the controversy. I'm aware of the background. The site has details of the investigations which you say never happened.
To discuss this any further, and maintain your credibility, you're going to have to explain to me how all eleven investigations (and I couldn't care less if they have another one, though GWB is against it) are frauds (giving you the benefit of the doubt, you said there were none, I'm sure that was a mistake) and how every President since Johnson, Republican and Democrat, along with hundreds of congressmen from both parties are "shills for Israel". Short of that, I conclude you're talking out of your *ss.
To: TheOtherOne
In order to rectify the oversight Israel engendered its own Naval liason. His name is Jonathan Pollard.
To: Thorin
Those on record as stating the attack was deliberate include former Chairman of the Joint Cheifs Admiral Moorer, former head of the National Security Agency Adm. Inman, former head of the Central Intelligence Agency Richard Helms, and former Secretary of State Dean Rusk, as well as the American survivors of the attack. All anti-Semites, eh? I'm aware of both Moorer and Inman's opinion.
No, I never said they were antisemites, did I?
You're a liar.
You brought the antisemite *hit in, just now bozo.
I'll wait for your evidence that all American Presidents since Johnson are shills for Israel. Nice if you'd start with GWB, or perhaps Reagan.
If you prefer, you can show me, and the other Freepers you slander me in front of, where I've accused Moorer or Inman of being anti-semites.
Trolls like you are really boring, you need some original material.
To: Poohbah
I found that interview illuminating. A real hot dog, I'm sure he looked for the cross, but I suspect that was all he looked for.
To: zchip
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:45:39 PM PDT
by
x
To: x
Try again. Walker didn't start working for the Reds until after the Six Day War. And how would the Israelis have known about him? Bump. This is just like the claim Israel was receiving US aid at the time (as someone said on this thread), even though it did not begin in force after 1973.
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:48:21 PM PDT
by
yonif
("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
To: yonif
Admiral Thomas Moorer: "Congress to this day has failed to hold formal hearings for the record on the Liberty affair. This is unprecedented and a national disgrace."
I agree with Admiral Moorer.
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:48:58 PM PDT
by
Thorin
Comment #115 Removed by Moderator
To: Samwise
Thanks for the ping Samwise.
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:52:55 PM PDT
by
snippy_about_it
(Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
To: Dr Zilman
Oh and your friends aboard were communications experts?
Sheesh, in my professional military experience, two decades later, the USN would still not "talk" to the USAF during joint live ammo exercises, in areas subject to immediate hostile threats.
Much less would they squak to the IDF.
God bless the USN, and I mourn every loss of every DOD person, peacetime or actively engaged in declared operations.
SNAFU deaths are hard to accept.
Always and everywhere.
SNAFU, FUBAR deaths happen everyday to all military forces, worldwide.
I believe the USA has apologised to several other countries for similar incidents.
Reality sucks, doent it?
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:54:39 PM PDT
by
sarasmom
(Thank you, everyone who prayed for Terri Schiavo. Keep praying, please !)
To: Dr Zilman
Wow, $23 million dollars. Only $13M of which was for the Israeli military. Some aid "package"
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:55:26 PM PDT
by
yonif
("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
To: Dr Zilman
Actually, I take it back. Only $7 million aid in the form of a loan was given to the Israeli military.
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:56:42 PM PDT
by
yonif
("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
To: Thorin
Admiral Thomas Moorer: "Congress to this day has failed to hold formal hearings for the record on the Liberty affair. This is unprecedented and a national disgrace." I agree with Admiral Moorer.
Reality disagrees with you AND Admiral Moorer.
Investigation |
Date |
Conclusion |
U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry |
June 10-18, 1967 |
The attack was a case of mistaken identity. Calm conditions and slow ship speed may have made American flag difficult to identify. No indication the attack was intended against U.S. ship. |
CIA Report |
June 13, 1967 |
The attack was not made in malice and was a mistake. |
Joint Chiefs of Staff Fact Finding Team (Russ Report) |
June 9-20, 1967 |
Outlined "findings of fact," bud did not make any findings about the actual attack. |
Clifford Report |
July 18, 1967 |
No premeditation, but "inexcusable failures" by Israeli forces constituing "gross negligence." |
Senate Committee on Foreign Relations |
1967 |
Secretary of Defense McNamara testified he supported conclusion that the attack was not intentional. |
Senate Armed Services Committee |
Feb. 1, 1968 |
No conclusion. Secretary McNamara makes comparison of attack on Liberty to that on Pueblo with regard to uncertainty about what was happening at the time of the incident. |
House Appropriations Committee |
April-May 1968 |
Navy communications "foulup" and no conclusion regarding Israeli actions. Much of report remains classified. |
House Armed Services Committee |
May 10, 1971 |
Critical of Navy communications, no conclusion regarding Israeli actions. |
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence |
1979 |
Responding to critical book by Liberty crewman James Ennes, Senate investigation found no merit to his claim attack was intentional. |
National Security Agency |
1981 |
Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian ship as a result of miscalculations and egregious errors. |
House Armed Services Committee |
June 1991 |
Responding to request from Liberty Veterans Association, Subcommitte on Investigations launched probe that concluded there was no evidence to support allegations made by the Association and no reason for further investigation. |
Six investigations right there.
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posted on
10/22/2003 8:57:40 PM PDT
by
Poohbah
("Would you mind not shooting at the thermonuclear weapons?" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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