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How the Poll Results on Iraq Were Manipulated
Arabnews ^ | 10/22/03 | James Zogby, Special to Arab News

Posted on 10/22/2003 1:56:12 PM PDT by Pikamax

How the Poll Results on Iraq Were Manipulated James Zogby, Special to Arab News

WASHINGTON, 22 October 2003 — Early in President Bush’s recent public relations campaign to rebuild support for the US war effort in Iraq, Vice President Cheney appeared on “Meet the Press.” Attempting to make the case that the US was winning in Iraq, Cheney made the following observations:

“There was a poll done, just random in the last week, first one I’ve seen carefully done; admittedly, it’s a difficult area to poll in. Zogby International did it with American Enterprise magazine. But that’s got very positive news in it in terms of the numbers it shows with respect to the attitudes to what Americans have done.

“One of the questions it asked is: ‘If you could have any model for the kind of government you’d like to have’ — and they were given five choices — ‘which would it be?’ The US wins hands down. If you want to ask them do they want an Islamic government established, by 2:1 margins they say no, including the Shiite population. If you ask how long they want Americans to stay, over 60 percent of the people polled said they want the US to stay for at least another year. So admittedly there are problems, especially in that area where Saddam Hussein was from, where people have benefited most from his regime and who’ve got the most to lose if we’re successful in our enterprise, and continuing attacks from terror. But to suggest somehow that that’s representative of the country at large or the Iraqi people are opposed to what we’ve done in Iraq or are actively and aggressively trying to undermine it, I just think that’s not true.”

In fact, Zogby International (ZI) in Iraq had conducted the poll, and the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) did publish their interpretation of the findings. But the AEI’s “spin” and the vice president’s use of their “spin” created a faulty impression of the poll’s results and, therefore, of the attitudes of the Iraqi people.

For example, while Cheney noted that when asked what kind of government they would like, Iraqis chose “the US... hands down,” in fact, the results of the poll are actually quite different. Twenty-three percent of Iraqis say that they would like to model their new government after the US; 17.5 percent would like their model to be Saudi Arabia; 12 percent say Syria, 7 percent say Egypt and 37 percent say “none of the above.” That’s hardly “winning hands down.”

When given the choice as to whether they “would like to see the American and British forces leave Iraq in six months, one year, or two years,” 31.5 percent of Iraqis say these forces should leave in six months; 34 percent say a year, and only 25 percent say two or more years.

So while technically Cheney might say that “over 60 percent (actually it’s 59 percent) ... want the US to stay at least another year,” an equally correct observation would be that 65.5 percent want the US and Britain to leave in one year or less.

Other numbers found in the poll go further to dampen the vice president’s and the AEI’s rosy interpretations. For example, when asked if “democracy can work well in Iraq,” 51 percent said “no; it is a Western way of doing things and will not work here.”

And attitudes toward the US were not positive. When asked whether over the next five years, they felt that the “US would help or hurt Iraq,” 50 percent said that the US would hurt Iraq, while only 35.5 percent felt the US would help the country. On the other hand, 61 percent of Iraqis felt that Saudi Arabia would help Iraq in the next five years, as opposed to only 7.5 percent, who felt Saudi Arabia would hurt their country. Some 50.5 percent felt that the United Nations would help Iraq, while 18.5 percent felt it would hurt. Iran’s rating was very close to the US’, with 53.5 percent of Iraqis saying Iran would hurt them in the next five years, while only 21.5 percent felt that Iran might help them.

It is disturbing that the AEI and the vice president could get it so wrong. Their misuse of the polling numbers to make the point that they wanted to make, resembles the way critics have noted that the administration used “intelligence data” to make their case to justify the war.

The danger, of course, is that painting a rosy picture that doesn’t exist is a recipe for a failed policy. Wishing something to be can’t make it so. At some point, reality intervenes. It’s a hard lesson to learn, but it is dangerous to ignore its importance.

For the administration to continue to tell itself and the American people that “all is well,” only means that needed changes in policy will not be made.

Consider some of the other poll findings:

• Over 55 percent give a negative rating to “how the US military is dealing with Iraqi civilians.” Only 20 percent gave the US military a positive rating.

• By a margin of 57 percent to 38.5 percent, Iraqis indicate that they would support “Arab forces” providing security in their country.

• When asked how they would describe the attacks on the US military, 49 percent described them as “resistance operations.” Only 29 percent saw them as attacks by “Baath loyalists.”

• When asked whom they preferred to “provide security and restore order in their country,” only 6.5 percent said the US. Twenty-seven percent said the US and the UN together, 14.5 percent preferred only the UN. And the largest group, 45 percent, said they would prefer the “Iraqi military” to do the job alone.

There are important lessons in all of this. Lessons policy makers ought to heed if they are to help Iraq move forward. What the Iraqi people appear to be telling us is that they have hope for the future, but they want the help of their neighbors more than that of the US.

That may not be what Washington wants to hear, but it ought to listen nevertheless. Because if policy makers continue to bend the data to meet their desired policy, then this hole they are digging will only get deeper


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: demshills; iraq; zogby

1 posted on 10/22/2003 1:56:13 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
I believe John Zogby's brother is a militant. Does he still have credibility?
2 posted on 10/22/2003 2:00:55 PM PDT by paguch
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To: paguch
No ... he doesn't!!!! Zogby is a die hard left wing Bush hating Klintonista. His poles and comments are not to be trusted!!!!!!!!
3 posted on 10/22/2003 2:05:36 PM PDT by Highest Authority
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To: Highest Authority
Well, I'm no expert on Zogby other than he seems to be highly regarded by a lot of people and was even quoted favorably by the administration here.

I think you have to admit that, with regard to issues Zogby singled out, he made a pretty good case that the administration was spinning the poll results to some degree. "Manipulation" seems a little strong, though.
4 posted on 10/22/2003 2:14:47 PM PDT by B.Bumbleberry
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To: Highest Authority
You might want to tell that to Vice President Cheney, since he apparently trusts Zogby polls.
5 posted on 10/22/2003 2:18:24 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: B.Bumbleberry
Zogby COULD have been a contender. He FReeped a little
and then cowered out of here .. to manipulate at large
where there is no feedback to his unsupported claims.

Zogby has credibility ... about three orders of magnitude less than DEBKA.

6 posted on 10/22/2003 2:21:55 PM PDT by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us)
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To: B.Bumbleberry
Zogby manipulates, politicians spin.
7 posted on 10/22/2003 2:28:44 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: B.Bumbleberry
Yep, I think he makes some valid points.

Here's the original AEI presentation of the poll results:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/979368/posts
8 posted on 10/22/2003 2:29:56 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: drjimmy
When Cheney was touting the Zogby poll, he forgot to mention that when polled, 67% of the Iraqis admired Jacque Chirac, while only 29% admired George Bush.
9 posted on 10/22/2003 2:30:56 PM PDT by halfdome
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To: Diogenesis
"For example, while Cheney noted that when asked what kind of government they would like, Iraqis chose “the US... hands down,” in fact, the results of the poll are actually quite different. Twenty-three percent of Iraqis say that they would like to model their new government after the US; 17.5 percent would like their model to be Saudi Arabia; 12 percent say Syria, 7 percent say Egypt and 37 percent say “none of the above.” That’s hardly “winning hands down.”



http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.17697/article_detail.asp

"* Asked to name one country they would most like Iraq to model its new government on, after being offered five possibilities—neighbor and fellow Baathist republic Syria, neighbor and Islamic monarchy Saudi Arabia, neighbor and Islamist republic Iran, Arab lodestar Egypt, or the U.S.—the most popular model by far was the U.S. The U.S. was preferred as a model by 37 percent of Iraqis selecting from those five—more than neighboring Syria plus neighboring Iran plus Egypt, all put together. Saudi Arabia was in second place at 28 percent.

Again, there were important demographic splits. Younger adults are especially favorable toward the U.S., and Shiites are more admiring than Sunnis. Interestingly, Iraqi Shiites, who are co-religionists with Iranians, do not admire Iran’s Islamist government; the U.S. is six times more popular with them as a model for governance.
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me thinks Zogby is spinning as well, but the link to all the data is here

http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.17694/article_detail.asp
10 posted on 10/22/2003 2:32:50 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: halfdome
67% of the Iraqis admired Jacque Chirac, while only 29% admired George Bush.

Was this is the Zogby poll?

11 posted on 10/22/2003 2:33:31 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: B.Bumbleberry
First case, Zogby makes a strong argument.

Second case, he's all wet - considering what's said. That a majority are NOT saying "GET OUT NOW" is the news.

That Iraqis are dissatisfied by being occupied is hardly surprising, but that around a third are pleased is down-rigth amazing. Consider that a large portion of the Iraqi complaints we have been hearing has been that in the first month we were not able to undo what the Ba'athists did over two decades - and that the real problem was that they had too high of expectations for us. Kindof incredible when you think about it.

12 posted on 10/22/2003 5:19:13 PM PDT by lepton
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To: lepton
Everything we've done over there is incredible. Downright amazing, actually.
13 posted on 10/22/2003 10:42:38 PM PDT by B.Bumbleberry
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