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Amish sect wins reflector dispute
The Johnstown Tribune-Democrat ^ | October 22, 2003 | SANDRA K. REABUCK

Posted on 10/22/2003 1:20:00 PM PDT by Willie Green

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EBENSBURG – A conservative Amish sect has won the right – at least for now – to use gray reflective tape on the back of their horse-drawn buggies to warn of a slow-moving vehicle.

A three-judge panel of the Superior Court, in a 2-1 decision, ruled that state law requiring bright orange triangles is unconstitutional as applied to the Swartzentruber Amish.

The conservative sect has families in the Ebensburg and Carrolltown areas of Cambria County.

Requiring them to use bright orange violates their religious freedom, the two state judges said in a 36-page opinion.

But District Attorney David Tulowitzki said yesterday he will appeal, citing the state´s overriding interest in public safety on the highway.

“The majority opinion basically said we didn´t prove the compelling issue of safety. We disagree because people are getting killed and injured as a result of not having the triangle on the buggies,” Tulowitzki said in an interview at his courthouse office.

But the ruling was hailed by Pittsburgh attorney Donna Doblick, representing the Amish, as keeping alive Pennsylvania´s founding principles dating to William Penn: “Not to tread lightly on individual´s rights, the right of religious freedom.”

Doblick, in a telephone interview from her Pittsburgh office, added, “There´s no evidence anywhere that the devices the Amish are using are less safe than (triangles).”

The state panel did not overturn the convictions outright. Rather, the case was remanded to county court for further consideration.

But Tulowitzki thinks the prosecution did prove its case and decided instead to appeal rather than go back before Judge Timothy Creany. He will either ask the full Superior Court – 15 judges – to reconsider the ruling or petition the state Supreme Court for review.

The Old Order Amish say the triangles offend their religious beliefs. They say the garish color violates their simple lifestyle and that displaying it would show they rely on it rather than on God for their safety.

Members have been using red lanterns and outlining the rear of their buggies with gray tape as safety precautions.

“The decision will be a welcome relief to our clients who wanted to get the same rights they have elsewhere,” Doblick said. She said that she would be driving later in the day to Cambria County to advise her clients – who do not have telephones – of the decision.

A number of other states where the members of the Swartzentruber Amish sect live grant an exemption to the requirement to display the triangles.

Members of the Pennsylvania sect – who moved here about six years ago from Ohio – have repeatedly been ticketed by state and local police for failing to display the triangle on their buggies.

The decision involves a joint appeal of 20 members of the community who received a total of 27 tickets. They initially were convicted by district justices and filed an appeal to county court.

In June 2002, Creany, saying that traveling safety is paramount on Pennsylvania roads, ruled against the Amish. He upheld the convictions and fined them $95 each, plus court costs.

The state judges determined the prosecution had failed to show that the religious objectors´ conduct poses a demonstrable threat of harm to the state´s interests.

The majority judges determined that, even though the state´s expert concluded the triangle is the most visible form of identification during daylight, prosecutors did not show that fewer accidents resulted among those using the emblem than among those who did not.

Without that comparative information, Creany had only a “scant basis on which to conclude that the emblem achieves a decrease in the rate of collision that the reflective tape cannot achieve,” the judges ruled.

“Because the evidence fails to substantiate a threat posed by the Swartzentrubers´ failure to display the SMV emblem, we cannot find that (state) interest (in highway safety) sufficiently compelling to justify intrusion on the Swartzentrubers´ sincerely held religious beliefs,” the majority said.

Judge Zoran Popovich, in a 10-page dissent, said he agreed with Creany that the state´s interest in safety is not met by permitting the Swartzentrubers to apply the gray reflective tape and a red lantern to their buggies.

The state´s expert concluded the tape is not as visible to motorists approaching from the rear of the buggies during daylight, when most of the buggies are on the roads, Popovich said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: amish; ducktape
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To: Willie Green
"The Old Order Amish say the triangles offend their religious beliefs. They say the garish color violates their simple lifestyle and that displaying it would show they rely on it rather than on God for their safety."

So using gray tape doesn't show that they are relying on it (the tape) rather than God for their safety?????

I don't get it, either you rely on God or you don't. If gray tape is OK then a dayglo orange triangle should be as well...
61 posted on 10/22/2003 3:11:55 PM PDT by 3Lean
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To: AdamSelene235
Their children's knowledge at 8th Grade would put most college kids to shame.
62 posted on 10/22/2003 3:12:12 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Willie Green
Why don't they just put up big signs in the area that say, "Amish Crossing"?

That's all the warning you'll get for deer or livestock.

63 posted on 10/22/2003 3:17:10 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: CherylBower
how do they reconcile with even being on state maintained road in the first place?

They'd be happy with dirt roads like in the 1800's. They didn't ask for the state to come in and pave the roads where they live.

64 posted on 10/22/2003 3:17:20 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Graybeard58
The Amish have been exempt from the Social Security welfare state since around 1948.
65 posted on 10/22/2003 3:19:22 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: dirtboy
The Amish have no problem with diesel trucks hauling off their milk production every day, or having trucks cart off sheds and gazebos they have built.

Others can act as they wish. The Amish wish to be as little entangled and as much independent from the world as possible.

It must be working. There's something like 150,000 of them now.

They will take over much of the US farm economy in our lifetimes.

66 posted on 10/22/2003 3:25:00 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: DC native
After you live among them for awhile, you notice that they are not very friendly

Well, certainly not someone who sounds as contemptuous as you.

67 posted on 10/22/2003 3:29:41 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
They will take over much of the US farm economy in our lifetimes.

When the Amish started moving into north central Wisconsin and my in-laws were selling their farm, they hoped Amish would buy it because they pay cash (no land contracts). The Amish who looked at the farm didn't buy it--because my in-law's house was too small (it only had three bedrooms).

68 posted on 10/22/2003 3:32:34 PM PDT by Catspaw
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You can't make them look too fancy or the buggy chop shops will snatch them.

69 posted on 10/22/2003 3:42:29 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
That's your opinion. Orange isn't gaudy. God made orange
probably about the same time he decided that red and
yellow were nice and mixed them. A triangle isn't a big
haphazard splash. It has form and you'll probably find it
in nature. Black can be gaudy if one has a self-
righteous attitude toward others because their black is
better than someone else's orange. However, I wouldn't
wear orange around someone who was offended by it if I
could help it.
70 posted on 10/22/2003 3:46:38 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: george wythe
good post, the only time I have ever seen an Amish rig on the road was when I was sent to Hutchinson KS to audit inventory for the Dillard's store there. When I left for the Whitchia airport it was raining cats and dogs and I almost ran over a buggy but just missed it and didn't go over 30mph until I hit the main road.
71 posted on 10/22/2003 3:48:56 PM PDT by LittleRedRooster
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To: Willie Green; Graybeard58
I am not Amish. Seriously. But I grew up in Lancaster, PA.

In order for these Schwartzentruber to maintain their position, they'd have to argue that the triangles are vain. There used to be what was known as "black bumper Mennonites". They'd drive cars, but paint the chrome bumpers black.

The orange triangle isn't vain either in purpose or execution. I think this sect just wants to start a fight. The Amish in Lancaster tend to follow all safety procedures on the road.

72 posted on 10/22/2003 3:55:07 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
I lived in Reading in the late 60s and traveled in and around the Lancaster area, -road side pretzel stands, shoo fly pie. I miss it.
73 posted on 10/22/2003 4:17:20 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Never raise your hand to a child, it leaves your crotch open.)
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To: Graybeard58
I miss it, too.

Mostly, I miss chicken barbecue.

By the way, you wouldn't miss Reading now. It's not what it was.

74 posted on 10/22/2003 5:19:02 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Willie Green
Interesting.
75 posted on 10/23/2003 7:43:14 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (The left always "feels your pain" unless of course they caused it.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
Their children's knowledge at 8th Grade would put most college kids to shame.

I had two years of calculus before I went to college. I doubt the Amish do.

76 posted on 10/23/2003 8:54:25 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: Willie Green
The Internet is a great place to make fun of Amish people.
77 posted on 10/23/2003 9:12:27 AM PDT by AdA$tra (Hypocricy is the Vaseline of social intercourse....)
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To: AdamSelene235
I had two years of calculus before I went to college. I doubt the Amish do.

You are a rarity. Could you speak and read and write in three lanugages?

78 posted on 10/23/2003 9:50:53 AM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
You are a rarity. Could you speak and read and write in three lanugages?

Negative. If a person can't cope with calculus by age 16, I see little point in further instruction. It really should be introduced around age 14. Getting back to the Amish, they believe the modern complex world jeopardizes their salvation. They value faith and cooperation over knowledge and competition. If we had schools rather than socialist indoctrination centers, the average college student would be far better educated than the average Amish person.

That said, I think I'd rather have the Amish for neighbors.

79 posted on 10/23/2003 10:24:48 AM PDT by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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