Posted on 10/22/2003 11:54:54 AM PDT by dennisw
Oct. 22, 2003 Poll: 59% of Palestinians support continuation of terror after state is created By JANINE ZACHARIA WASHINGTON
Fifty-nine percent of Palestinians believe that Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad should continue their armed struggle against Israel even if Israel leaves all of the West Bank and Gaza, including East Jerusalem, and a Palestinian state is created, a new survey shows.
Similarly, 80 percent of Palestinians say that, under those circumstances, the Palestinians should not give up the "right of return."
The poll of Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and Israeli Arabs was released in Washington on Wednesday by Itamar Marcus, founder of Palestinian Media Watch and written by pollster Frank Luntz. It was conducted by two polling firms, the Public Opinion Research of Israel and The Palestinian Center for Public Opinion.
The poll also examined Israeli and Palestinian attitudes towards the US and towards terrorism.
Nintey-six percent of Israeli Jews say the people who piloted the planes on September 11 were terrorists, while 37 percent of Palestinians share that view.
Slightly more than one in four - 26 percent - of Palestinians believe Israelis planned the 9-11 attacks.
Forty-two percent of Palestinians and 61 percent of Israeli-Arabs stated that they support the people who are attacking Americans in Iraq. Zero percent of Israeli Jews said they did.
Marcus said he believes such opinions are "not coming from a vacuum" and that the survey demonstrates a "connection between Palestinian media and education and Palestinian beliefs and opinions."
During the Iraq war, Palestinian Authority-sponsored television glorified the killing of American soldiers, a theme that has continued until now in various media, Marcus said.
"now you're being nasty"
We are.
Tia
Then the left and the other brainless here in the U.S. and the Euroweenies will jump up and down and yell: "See?!" See?!"
While they continue blythely blowing up busses, hospitals, kids' bedrooms.
But... but... the polls say.... !!!!
I expect this thread to be pulled almost, if not, immediately, and I might even be banned. At this point, I am too angry to care.
It just never stops, does it, Mercuria?
I'd love to be able to just tell you that this whole thing is smoke and mirrors. A sideshow to proclaim some kind of nonexistent martyrdom while you and your buddies reduce the weight of FR one more time, crying crocodile tears over poor you and the poor Ms. Dio. Unfortunately, this little game du jour of yours is a bit more serious than that.
Feigned innocence. Maybe now the mods know exactly what it is now as the board is being restocked just like a trout stream with the selfsame people who tried to destroy it in the first place.
For the record, I never accused Dio of being a Nazi. I asked her what kind of Jew she was and what she would consider over the line. If you read every single one of her answers to me, she NEVER, not one time, typed a capital J in for Jew. I ASKED her why she would post to a Nazi website. She could have simply answered with the truth, but you know that ain't what happened.
But, of course, Logos, I can't possibly understand racism or disrespect, just as you obviously didn't realize that I couldn't have known when someone was trying to reel information out of me, so let's be honest. Did you really expect me to give you the exact info that you thought I was trying to hide? Get real. I did a little hunting for you too, pal, and you aren't what you pretended to be from the git-go...but I passed it by because who really cared...then?
I'm the one who traced your *Jewish Roots* thing to the *hosenose* jew site, remember? Except, of course, that it was for kiddies who just loved the music while they learned to hate Jews. More from before, but why go into it in public, huh?
Did you really think I stopped corresponding with you because you asked me if I was Mossad? Bwahahahahah. I stopped because that crap from The Rumour Mill was getting real old real fast.
So, y'all looked for Frostfire, did ya'?
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An Explanation And Request For Feedback
2/6/02 | 9
(excerpt) 9, I don't fully trust this FrostFire either, primarily because she is sloppy and jumps to conclusions. For instance, when she jumped Diotima she had not made the effort to see that she has posted briefly at the beginning of Original Dissent Forum before all the objectionable material appeared. She clearly does not know her way around racist circles due to inadequate research, hence the Stormfront "Chapter" error and apparently believes whatever she is finding at the ADL or the SPLC.
(You have got to be kidding. Lord ha' mercy. Fric and Frac. Get a grip, won't you? The only truth I got from SPLC was the Black Metal research, but it was certainly not the only place it was. It was simply the shortest.)
This is not to say we should ignore what information she is providing, but at the same time she cannot be allowed to post misleading accustions on the Forum.
Of course not. SM7
Righto, kiddo, so why did she (Dio,) go from the frying pan into the fire?It was all so simple then.
To: FrostFire
I want you to post HERE, the proof, you filthy liar.
36 posted on 2/5/02 4:44 PM Pacific by diotima
(Proof, she got, filthy liar that I am. T'wasn't that much later the poor kid was in over her poor wittle head again over on Liberty Forum. I guess only someone with an IQ of 150 or more could pssibly tell that was a straight up anti-American site at all. Got worse by the minute, but haven't checked it lately because you really need a shower to read dear Askel and sweet kudzu just being their *protocolish elder* selves.
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Interesting, to say the least. Also plausible, if perhaps not all the truth. I'm not in the business of divulging confidences, so I will only say that what has been left out is fascinating. Of course, there is always the possibility that everything she told me privately was not in all cases true.
Puzzles within enigmas within conundrums. And I used to think that Alice in Wonderland was all fiction!
(And have you seen anything that has EVER disproved anything I've said?)
American Patrol Report---American Renaissance---AntiWar--- The American Cause---Aw, Shucks!--- Breaking All The Rules--- Center for Cultural Conservatism Chronicles---Council of Conservative Citizens--- DumpMcCain--- Sam Francis---Mercurial Times---The New American---New Nation News--- The Occidental Quarterly---The Patriotist---Charley Reese---Lew Rockwell---Joseph Sobran---The Texas Mercury Traditionalist Conservatism Page---VDARE---We Hold These Truths
These are the anti-neo-con links on OD. Neocon being a buzzword for Jews. OOPS! Sorry, Logos. I wasn't supposed to know that. My bad.
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On the posting dates:
As SM3 pointed out, FrostFire used to post, a lot. Then she vanished, to reappear 1/26 for a few posts, and then last night to drop these bombshells and also to reveal that Frost=Nix.
Would you rather I had tried to sneak back like these skulking thugs?
NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh stopped posting the day that Nix 2 registered, until 1/4 where it posted 3 times. One of the posts made it sound as if the reason that account was used again was to get something from it (perhaps a freepmail?):
Not hardly. I posted to it because I was pinged by that nic. I tried to make sure that didn't happen anymore, and anyone taking a passing glance at my profile page can see who I was and who I am. Never tried to hide it. Promised I would use only one, and 1 is all I use. The *trannie* threads weren't THIS good.
You do have a way about you, Registered. This is fantastic!!! and just the thing to get me off here with a smile.
DENNIS! Nix 2. If I hadn't come to check just in case, I'd have missed this and THIS is priceless.
I'm so glad you think so. LOL
I would love to know why the first name change, and why the name change back.
I think you are right, 8, understanding motives here is important.
I do hope you feel as silly as you sound.
The posts from Frosty were clearly personal attacks, and largely irrelevant as well. We can't let Free Republic degenerate into sniping wars between personalities.
By all means, you can not, but oh, my goodness, look what has happened here lately! If this is even a small example, you have trouble in river city, Jack, and if you let it go on and on, there will be nothing left of Jim and a hate site is exactly what this is degenerating into. Now this is MY privacy and all of yours this b*tch has invaded. What for? Why now? Do you truly think she or the hoards have what made FR great in mind, or is this the biggest tear down of a successful site I have ever witnessed?
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One of the ironies is that had this exchange happened after Jim "unleashed" us, I would not have fretted about it at all. It would have been yanked immediately.
And you would have been wrong. But it's I who am sloppy and jump to conclusions much too quickly. Yepper...I just keep forgetting what a dumb hillbilly I am.
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2002-02-20 08:11:51
Anything you send me I will keep in strictist confidence, but I have to ask...
Why are you sending this to me and what do you expect me to do with it?
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Strictest confidence? In what? The tooth fairy? All I did was try and help you. Back door wars are not my style as this sh*t seems to be.
Besides, it's happening anyway, isn't it?
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To throw another layer of complexity on this, despite the fact that some of what Nix said in earlier emails meshed with what my own eyes were seeing in the forum, I have done some checking on that side.
The people I know in Pittsburgh have seen none of the nazi activity that supposedly was the impetus for that name. Further, I have searched in several places (various online phone directories, both Yellow Page and White Page, and via google) for anything on a FrostFire, Inc, and have found nothing. In other words, while some of the info coming from that direction appears to be solid, I am by no means ready to say "I fully trust that one".
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THAT is pure crap. First of all I don't live IN Pittsburgh. The left has trashed it almost to the point of no return. The good guys who still keep keeping on, in the South Hills and North Hills wouldn't be in touch with anyone who came right out and called themselves a Nazi. There are chapters of Nazi, Neo Nazi, Skinheads, KKK all over the place in PA.
Where I live is in a rural area where the Klan and the Nazis have joined and do various kinds of mayhem. Greensburg, where I have had occasion to visit many times, has so much Nazi graffiti they can't keep it off long enough for the sun to rise one more day. But I don't live there either.
This was from back right before this invasion of Freeper privacy was going on. Not exactly ADL or SPLC, is it?
Excerpt:
Neo-Nazi Group Sued For Online Threats
October 20, 1998 (3:27 p.m. EST)
By John Borland, TechWeb NewsThe Pennsylvania state attorney general filed suit Tuesday against a White supremacist group whose Web page allegedly contained threats against several state government employees. The state is seeking an injunction against the Philadelphia-based Alpha group, barring it from publishing threats against specific people or posting threatening images on its Web page.
"Free speech does not give you the right to threaten to kill someone whether it be through the mail, in person, or on the Internet," said state Attorney General Mike Fisher.
Alpha is a neo-Nazi group based in Pennsylvania, with connections to other White supremacist groups in Europe and elsewhere in the United States. A quick look at the group's website turns up quotes from Adolf Hitler, links to other neo-Nazi organizations, and a call for "White revolution."
"A local news report on 'The State of Hate' broadcast in February 1998 spoke about how our home state of Pennsylvania is ranked No. 4 in the country for having the most pro-White organizations," the site reads. "Pa. must be doing something right!"
1998 Excerpt:
Messages of hate can be found throughout Pennsylvania, where unions are joining forces with communities in a battle for the states soul. Although a state rich in labor history, Pennsylvania today ranks just 14th in union density nationwide but fourth in hate group activity. White supremacist organizations targeted western Pennsylvania some 15 years ago as one of the two key areas nationwide for recruitment.In the mountain valleys surrounding Pittsburgh, robed Klansmen have appeared outside high schools, in town squares, on court house steps. Cross-burnings take place not far from where UMWA organizer Fannie Sellins was murdered by sheriffs deputies in 1919. Just months before the AFL-CIO national convention came to town, the American Knights of the KKK and the Hitler Free Corps jointly staged a rally outside the Allegheny County Courthouse.
Todays KKK offers itself to working-class neighborhoods as an opponent of crime, or sometimes as a defender of the environment. During the UPS strike, KKK flyers turned up near a Teamsters picketline in Greensburg, east of Pittsburgh.
In the village of Yukon, population 800, neighbors organized sufficient community pressure to evict a KKK faction from what the haters hoped would be a permanent headquarters on a quiet residential street.
Somerset County has also been targeted by the KKK. Situated between two mountain ridges, Somerset County has relied for years on farming, logging and coal mining. But today farming is under threat and many timber mills and mines have closed.
2001 Excerpt:
Pennsylvania stands out from the normal trend discussed above. It has a higher proportion of sites and a near total saturation of potential victims being actualized. This characteristic is worth noting in view of the more recent FedEx-based threats received in November 2001 which also show a potential Pennsylvania linkage.Beyond the issue noted above regarding Pennsylvania, its interesting to note that the new threats received during November seem to be targeted toward filling in some of the areas not covered in the October set. Together with other reported similarities in the materials sent, this tends to indicate a continuing activity by a common perpetrator or group of perpetrators. It may also show continuation of a predefined plan. Interestingly there has also been a relatively long history of activity in the Pennsylvania area by various racist and neo-nazi groups. These activities if anything have continued and may even have increased in the past year.
QUOTE: ...National Alliance, a neo-Nazi organization that experts on hate groups call one of the fastest-growing and most dangerous racist organizations in the country.
But enough of the stuff we already know.
Since you all have spent sooo much time trying to track me down...speaking of tinfoil... I actually own 4 companies, one of which is located in California. Imagine that.
And I didn't change my ISP, my ISP changed itself. DSL didn't hurt either.
All of my companies are named and located on a *need to know* basis. Like, for instance, when Badjoe had to send me Freepstuff. All paid for, including many donations. Willa addressed the mailing that had my Port Authority Jacket in it. Bootless got the bucks for the Freeper Ball Video. Badjoe got the bucks for the Inaugural Ball tickets which I ended up donating to FR because the weather gets real, real bad in these here mountains in the heart of winter.
There was no dishonesty on my part, but you guys are a trip.
Now, I had the word of someone there that my attempt to stop an all out attack on FR would be held in strictest confidence. Obviously, it has not. Now I have a couple or three attorneys that would not take kindly to this at all. But I ain't gonna blame Jim for a lying loudmouth like Mercuria.
I don't think I'll be sending my usual donations though. I really need some new Saturday go-to-meetin' duds.
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