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Terri Schiavo Begins Receiving Fluids and Hospital Care - (Current Status Alert!)
LifeNews ^ | October 22, 2003 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/22/2003 6:17:38 AM PDT by NYer

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To: nmh
Apparently the husband's attorney is and or has been a member of the board of the Hospice - this could be conflict of interest if the Hospice offered testimony as to Terri's condition - is their loyalty to that attorney or to Terri?

THANKS!!! for posting that information.

When my grandmother was dieing, NO hospice would take her in until the final months of her life, and, even then, there was a lengthy waiting list.

Terri Schiavo has been in this hospice for 3 years! That made no sense to me. Your post explains it! Is it okay if I pass this information on to Pete Vere, a canon lawyer, who is advocating for the Schindler family. He just returned from FL where he spent several days with the family.

21 posted on 10/22/2003 7:01:34 AM PDT by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: nurseinaz
nurseinaz
Since Oct 22, 2003

How ya Doin Troll!
22 posted on 10/22/2003 7:02:40 AM PDT by mtbrandon49
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To: NYer
Thank you for sharing this with us. It is healing for us, the hopeful on-lookers, to know how comforted Terri's family, and those who have worked so closely with them, are.
23 posted on 10/22/2003 7:03:07 AM PDT by krunkygirl
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To: nurseinaz
Thank goodness you are not in a position of authority! It reminds me of Hitler and his views on the disabled playing god.

I personally know of folks who you would see as canidates for death. One is my Grandmother. She is 100 years old. She is in and out of Altzheimers. She just got over double pneumia and off the liquid diet and on solid food. For awhile there it was ify. When it was ify we relied on her living will for her wishes - no heroic efforts to sustain her. For awhile while ill she was NOT eating at all and the feeding tube issue came up. We declined because it was her wish NOT to be on that. They were getting ready to give her morphine. but we noticed even at 100 years old and ill she still wanted to live! So we declined again.

Slowly she got better. She's now walking around after being bed ridden. She's doing her social stuff again and eating solid food. If you EVER ask her, do you still want to live? She'll look at you like your crazy and say OF COURSE! She is a VERY strong willed woman.

Does she fear death? Absolutely not. She loves her children, their families and her grandchildren. She lives because she loves. Someday when she does go t heaven I have no doubt there will be alot of celebrating going on. Her husband will be rejoicing.

She is athe real mccoy when it comes to being a Christian - belief wise and knowledge wise. She knows it is NOT up to her to take her life. It is up to God. He will do that when He deems so and not before. She knows she is to do the best she can in this life till it is time for her to go to heaven. It's called being obedient to God and letting His will prevail.

I am thrilled that she is here. Even at 100 years old. My daughter loves her too! She's only four and so fortunate to KNOW her Great Grandmother. She is just as delighted to see her and all her other grandchildren and their babies. I'm one of 13 grandchildren. Of those 13 grandchildren we have about 40 children between us. Oh, forgot to say my grandmother had four children. She is VERY blessed and so are we. We wouldn't even consider murdering her because she was too old.

24 posted on 10/22/2003 7:04:32 AM PDT by nmh
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To: ArrogantBustard
Thanks for that selection of verse.
25 posted on 10/22/2003 7:05:22 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: NYer; All
There is nothing "natural" or "dignified" about starving a person to death.

Also, as a person who has coped with a severe, chronic, disfunction of their pain system: Life with pain IS better than no life and no hope at all.

This person who posted here as a nurse; I would NOT want this nurse at my bedside! This is the exactly the type of person who sometimes takes the initiative to decide to take someone else's life because they think they know better. We have, rightfully, seen those who act on their arrogance, end up in jail.
26 posted on 10/22/2003 7:07:01 AM PDT by DianaN (Eternal Freedom)
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To: NYer
Please do!

Sorry to hear about your Grandmother. Mine was ify for awhile but came through. We LOVE her even at 100 with altzheimers. We wouldn't dream of murdering her.

27 posted on 10/22/2003 7:08:06 AM PDT by nmh
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To: nurseinaz
Imagine your in a nice warm sack of water. You can't tell anyone you want to live. Then some @sshole comes and rips you apart and sucks whats left of you out of that nice warm womb. Sound familiar TROLL!
28 posted on 10/22/2003 7:08:53 AM PDT by mtbrandon49
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To: nurseinaz; Zavien Doombringer; Grampa Dave; 4mycountry; jriemer
I feel a ZOT coming.
29 posted on 10/22/2003 7:11:42 AM PDT by wjcsux
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To: nurseinaz
You are unable to indicate you need to defecate or void. Maybe you have a catheter to drain your bladder, or maybe you are in a diaper and urinate and defecate on yourself like a baby.

Your argument isn't much different from letting an infant starve to death, so that it doesn't have to endure the pains of life. I'm sure Terri's real family is aware of her situation. It's clear that they love her and want her to live.

30 posted on 10/22/2003 7:13:39 AM PDT by Moonman62
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To: nurseinaz
LOL! Until I noticed you were really correcting yourself, I thought someone was sarcastically pointing out to you that calling this situation "natural" and "dignified" must be a typo. That you meant to correct yourself made it that much funnier.

Welcome to Freerepublic... how long do you plan to stay?

31 posted on 10/22/2003 7:14:50 AM PDT by pgyanke (Big Bang Theory = First there was nothing...then it exploded.)
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To: NYer; Chancellor Palpatine
Governor Jeb Bush has created an opportunity for which many can be thankful. It must not be wasted.

Alright Freepers, it's time to put your money where your mouths/keyboards are. Terri's estimated cost for *attempted* rehabilitation was $9.5 million, the jury only awarded her $1.3 million. Making up the difference should be easy unless all the emotion here, and elsewhere, was born of hot air.

Show Michael Schiavo what a piss poor excuse of a human being he is by raising the additional funds needed for rehabilitation and getting Terri on her feet.

Send money to Terri's parents, gobs of it. Don't worry they are honorable people. BUT they are older and Terri may out live them or they may need care, too. So be prepared to have Terri and/or her parents come live with you for stretches of time. Freepers can rotate on the care of all three!
32 posted on 10/22/2003 7:15:54 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: pgyanke
I think they've already left or the viking kitty has there tongue.
33 posted on 10/22/2003 7:16:23 AM PDT by mtbrandon49
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To: nmh
You are blessed. You will think of all the questions you wish you had asked after she's gone, so asked them now.
One of the questions I asked my mother before she died was
"Did she remember her first kiss" she laughed at me and said she was in one of those old cars sitting in the trundle seat when it happened. I was blessed with a wonderful mother and I miss her.
34 posted on 10/22/2003 7:17:23 AM PDT by pickyourpoison
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To: NYer
Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe said the action by Bush and the Legislature ``violates the core principles'' of a 1990 U.S. Supreme Court decision. The court ruled in a Missouri case that Nancy Cruzan, who had been fed through a tube for seven years, could be permitted to die if ``clear and convincing evidence'' proved that was what she wanted. Her parents had fought for the right to remove the tube. ``I've never seen a case in which the state legislature treats someone's life as a political football in quite the way this is being done,'' said Tribe.

What Tribe neglects to say is that the US Supreme Court ruled AGAINST starving and dehydrating Nancy Cruzan to death, in the absence of clear and convincing evidence of her wishes.

Following that victory for life in SCOTUS, the case had to be sent back down to the Missouri court that had ruled for pulling the feeding tube.

The Missouri court then suddenly and conveniently "discovered" two ex-co-workers of Nancy's who claimed Nancy had once expressed a wish "not to live like that."

The Missouri court declared the ex-co-workers' statements to be "clear and convincing evidence" of Nancy's wishes, and then successfully ordered Nancy starved and dehydrated to death.

A little publicized footnote to the Nancy Cruzan case: Joseph Cruzan, Nancy's father, committed suicide a few years after campaigning for her ghastly "death with dignity."

35 posted on 10/22/2003 7:19:38 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: shhrubbery!
--US Supreme Court ruled AGAINST starving and dehydrating Nancy Cruzan to death--

Ironinc that if I decided to stop eating and taking fluids in an attempt to slowly and painfully commit suicide, the law would stop me, force feed me, and put me under a Dr.'s care for mental health evaluation.
36 posted on 10/22/2003 7:26:02 AM PDT by fml
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To: NYer
Meanwhile, Michael Schiavo was "deeply troubled, angry and saddened that his wife's wishes have become a political pingpong,'' said Michael Schiavo's lead attorney George Felos, an assisted suicide advocate. "He, as many others, is absolutely stunned at the course of events.''

He's really going to be stunned when he faces the wrath of God. He ain't seen nothing yet!

37 posted on 10/22/2003 7:26:23 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: CajunConservative
This AOL Poll needs to be freeped. Did Bush do the right thing. As of now, 59% against Jeb Bush. I tried to post link, but it wouln't work and I have to leave. Can someone add the link. Thanx, Later......
38 posted on 10/22/2003 7:33:14 AM PDT by arepublicifyoucankeepit
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To: nurseinaz
a natural, dignified death

Ha! Which is exactly the opposite of what this poor woman had in store! What she was experiencing was neither natural nor dignified.

39 posted on 10/22/2003 7:40:00 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: NYer
Sen. Larcenia Bullard, D-Miami, wipes a tear from her eye during her debate against the bill

What's SHE crying about? Larcenia Bullard voted AGAINST Terri's bill:

All NO Votes on Terri’s Bill

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40 posted on 10/22/2003 7:40:20 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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