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An interesting response to the Air Force text.

You really sound like you have read next to nothing regarding the 'powers that be.' Have you even read or did you hear Ike's speech warning about the 'military industrial complex' in the most sober of terms? I suppose you would think he was an ignorant, uninformed, low ranking, inexperienced sort of person who wouldn't really know anyway?

Perhaps you are unaware that The President's security clearances are lower than a number of people working with the 'platforms,' ET's etc.? Many clearance levels are permitted only after AT LEAST 15 YEARS IN FEDERAL SERVICE IN PROVEN SECURE JOB DESCRIPTIONS, ROLES.

That there are those 'along-side' or extra governmental or whatever label you'd care to assign to such forces--that there ARE such forces exercising undue and overwhelming control over various institutions in our culture rather startlingly in defiance of government and at least independent of government--that such is part of our reality is not really a rocket science level of awareness. Nevertheless, I can certainly believe you would be unaware of such.

You also clearly have not been keeping a running commentary watchfulness over various factors, variables of the UFO phenomena--including the governmental and other pronouncements. AS I PREDICTED TO MYSELF AND SOME OTHERS 35 YEARS AGO; AND AS OTHERS HAVE PREDICTED IN VARIOIUS WRITINGS IN THAT SPAN . . . there has been an incremental increase in the quality and amount of disclosure details--as one would expect if the bare bones outlines of the reality were true.

Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that there is a point at which critical mass in disclosure has been achieved and more or less all the cats are out of all the bags or sufficient numbers of cats are out that the remaining cats in the remaining bags don't make a lot of difference. That peak of the disclosure graph must occur during our lifetime. Nothing else is remotely logical, IMHO.

Well, given your alluded to spiritual biases, I can appreciate that you would decline to face such realities.

Your loss. Given the degree and duration of such losses--one would logically want to err on the conservative side. I guess you really aren't very interested in logic, after all.

Just a point of order:

>>"Perhaps you are unaware that The President's security clearances are lower than a number of people working with the 'platforms,' ET's etc.? Many clearance levels are
permitted only after AT LEAST 15 YEARS IN FEDERAL SERVICE IN PROVEN SECURE JOB DESCRIPTIONS, ROLES."<<

Where did you get this?

There are three levels of classification: Confidential, Secret and Top Secret. Within TS there are caveats, but none of this "above TS" stuff some people think.

As far as a president is concerned, he has the ultimate security clearance as Commander in Chief. He has access to whatever he wants.

As far as this 15-yrs service allegation, where did you get this?

A clearance is a clearance, and no length of time is a requirement for a security clearance "level" (whatever you mean by that). There are caveats that require a clearance to know what they are, but nothing even comes close to what you are referring to--no way.

"The lack of proof just proves how good the cover up is." And this, my friend, is where the true believers lose it.

Someone, somewhere, makes an allegation about clearances and such and the absence of any proof otherwise, and in direct contradiction to all published data and "insider" knowledge, just proves how good the "secret" is kept.

Just a point of order.

How do E.T.'s relate at all to Ike's speech? Didn't some of these alleged visits occur during his Administration? Why not just blow the lid off it overtly rather than making some cryptic reference to the military-industrial complex? Either he knows about the ET's, in which case he would either blow the whistle or shut up, or he doesn't. The middle ground of referring to a military-industrial complex makes no sense.

Many clearance levels are permitted only after AT LEAST 15 YEARS IN FEDERAL SERVICE IN PROVEN SECURE JOB DESCRIPTIONS, ROLES.

The idea that any such restrictions cover the President and Congress as an institution is nonsensical. The only legal force any such restrictions would have are what they are given by law. So, in addition to finding the statute that specifically forbids contact with ET's, how about finding that one? Because I don't believe for a moment that there is any enforceable law that legally bars the President from having access to any classified material. I was in the military, and I'm a lawyer and acquainted with the federal justice system. I'd love to see that law, because it doesn't exist.

It doesn't exist because it cannot legally exist. I've had enough of a clearance to know that there are levels of clearance whose titles/names are themselves classified. That means they cannot be mentioned in any law, since to mention them would itself disclose classified material. Absent such a law, such restriction is legally unforceable against the President because it would not be based on a legally enforceable law or regulation. And probably would be unconstitutional even if it did exist.

Now, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that there is a point at which critical mass in disclosure has been achieved and more or less all the cats are out of all the bags or sufficient numbers of cats are out that the remaining cats in the remaining bags don't make a lot of difference. That peak of the disclosure graph must occur during our lifetime. Nothing else is remotely logical, IMHO.

The fact that there are so many people who still don't buy it shows that we haven't reached that point, and aren't close. I'd add that since detection methods, cameras, video, etc. have all increased tremendously in recent years, you cannot tell whether there is truly more contact, or the same amount of contact being reported more efficiently.

Well, given your alluded to spiritual biases, I can appreciate that you would decline to face such realities.

I have no idea what biases to which you are referring. I think linking ET's, the military-industrial complex, and Satan is tin-foil hat stuff. ET's may exist, the "complex" exists at least in some form, and Satan may exist. But the linkage of all three is just loony. You claim that people that don't see things your way are blind to evidence. Fine -- what is the evidence linking Satan to ET's or to the military industrial complex. And "I think there's a connection" isn't evidence.

It's one thing to say "it's possible that ET's have visited Earth." Sure, that's possible, so I wouldn't discount the possibility. But when you add to it the air of certainty, or even probability, that you give it, then link it to Ike's speech, an alleged government-wide conspiracy that crosses national borders for completely unexplained motives, and Satan's plan to dominate the world, you've left the realm of reasonable inquiry and entered pure fantasy.