The second American civil war: What it's about: Part II

townhall.com ^ | 10/21/03 | Dennis Prager

[Travis McGee]

WOW!! Outstanding contribution to the discussion!

So instead imagine "Floridas" in ten key states, with Republicans denouncing 'rat vote fraud, and instead of a Gore calling off the dogs, a Hellary or Weasly Clark letting them loose?

[headsonpikes]

I believe that the 'Social Wars' of Late Republican Rome provide a gut-tightening parallel to America's situation.

Within 50 years of the end of those bloody conflicts, after a period of dictatorship and other extra-Constitutional adventures, the Romans lost their centuries-old Republic and dwelt under a divine Emperor.

Faction is the deadly enemy of Republics.

[Charles Martel]

I can think of few groups of Americans who would be more "radicalized" than engineers, computer scientists and IT workers forced to train their half-salary foreign replacements for their last two months of employment.

Talk about folks ready to take up arms!

Yep. It's never a good idea to piss off the people who know how things work (and more to the point, how to make things *stop* working).

Hey, archy... at your convenience, please add me to your ping list.

[harpseal]

can think of few groups of Americans who would be more "radicalized" than engineers, computer scientists and IT workers forced to train their half-salary foreign replacements for their last two months of employment

Couple this with a larger than normal percentage of vetrans in these ranks and one has a recipie for a very high explosive, When you hear fire in the hole on this one be ready to take cover.

[monkeywrench]

Please add me to your list, too, archy. Thanks.

[Teacher317]

Massive political disagreement is NOT a civil war! War, by definition, involves the use of arms to achieve what poltical means have failed to.

Tell that to the Cold War that Ronald Reagan bloodlessly won.

Hmmm... a Cold Civil War II? ;^)

[harpseal]

According to a source unnamed in a Democratic Senator's office ( a liberal whom I have a very real problem with but whom I see at family affairs there was enough uncertainty about calling out the troops to enforce a Democrat "win" in FL against the US Supreme Courts ruling that it was decided that victory could not be assured and if one is planning a coup d' etat then one must be certain of a chance of winning.

In short they thought they would lose on the basis of one state, with loads of irregularities in counting the military vote.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

When George Santayana warned, “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it” he did not mean exactly in every detail. We are not going to have a re-enactment of the War between the States.

It will IMO be far more like a counter revolution against abuses from the left. I.e., those who Steven Den Beste called tranzis, transnationals; against heavy-handed, lying gun grabbers -- going state-by-state after realizing a federal law ain't going to happen; ILLEGAL immigrant rights advocates pushing, pushing for more, more -- stirring some of the ILLEGALS to violence; enviro wackos pushing. pushing for more, more "rural cleansing" -- it almost sparked Lexington-west at Klamath Falls just a couple of years ago.

Maybe even the "angry white male" made famous by the movie Falling Down will re-appear not as a single unemployed engineer but as a mob in Falling Down, 2004 -- no, this won't be two armies squaring off. Nor will it be IMO a revolution against "the government." It's entirely up to the left's chicken hawk revolutinoaries in the media, the universities, etc. and how they manipulate their mindless minions.

It will be total and absolute chaos out of which will emerge a patriot-dictator, a Man on Horseback. The left will fail to "bring it all down, man."

I've wanted to see it since 1970. Many knew in those days the day would come when the New Left's war against America would have to be confronted. We are there. This is a war within a war. It is part of the war to protect our Republic from radical Islam. The left is an ally of any who would "bring it all down, man."

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Re: "Hellary or Weasly Clark letting them loose"

Exactly!

Where are the race riots I wondered at the time? The left knew that the media would go after Bush to stop the violence and answer the "will of the people." Gore would be the President.

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Re: "Sorry, but I no longer fear just the left. I fear worse the neocons because they are wolves in sheep clothing."

Good point.

I believe the neo-cons come from the 1960s and before liberals. Liberals in those days were patriots. They fled the Democrat Party rather than fight the New Left. They brought with them their ideology and some, like Jonah Goldberg, want to purge the paleo-cons from "their" Republicn Party.

I do not believe that neo-cons are allies with today's left, however. Neo v. Paleo is more like the way politcis between Democrats and Republicans used to be IMO.

I cannot cite the exact writings of Mr. David Horowitz but I believe he argues that today's left is stronger than ever.

[Squantos]

Flyover country has the food.......city dwellers will consume themselves after they fail to collectivly gather their niwits. Their fake, staged for the presstitutes , sense of anger, burning down their own homes and communities, and robbing stores that have about 18 hrs of food on the shelves at any given time has always been followed up with federal and state welfare aid. Hopefully never again....... treat them as the enemies of this nation that they are.

Any such nation wide conflict will indeed bring about anarchy with no winners and those who let themselves be used against the republic will find themselves less than the losers they currently are.

Just my opinion of course.....Stay Safe , BLOAT & CACHE !

[Sgt. Stryker]

Please include me on the countdown list.

Semper Fi!

[Noumenon]

When the shooting starts is strictly up to the left. It's always been the left's war against America NOT the other way around.

Another piece of historical truth. What they start, I intend to finish in places, at times and according to methods of my choosing. Without guilt. Without remorse. Without hesitation.

[Tijeras_Slim]

As FReeper "noumenon" points out, by their very actions in seeking to destroy our free society, the radical left and their unthinking minions have forfeited the right to live in that society.

Indeed. And we used to quaranteen those who carried and could communicate deadly diseases instead of making them liberal mascots. I fear the average American's sense of self-preservation has atrophied under the crushing weight of "tolerance".

[hosepipe]

Talk of Civil War has been huffed at or given the Curly Salute for the last five or so years on this forum.... Has anyone else noted that there is more and more actual dialog about it.... I have... And its a GOOD THING TOO.. But an out and out Civil War today would quickly degrade into anarchy (the mother of all riots), IMO...

The real Civil War will start once 12 viable balls have been found amongst American males that DON'T WATCH... Dr. Phil or Oprah......
(National search is in progress)...

[dljordan]

The time is ripe for foreign intervention in the U.S. Our troops are spread out all over the world. Suppose we had a civil insurrection here and they called in the U.N. troops. France won't help us in Iraq but I'm sure they'd be happy to occupy New York city of Washington. Of course there's the problem then of American gunowners who would hesitate to shoot at U.S. troops but probably would think it was open season on Blue Helmets. They are used to a docile, dis-armed populace and I think they'd be in for a major suprise.

[Lazamataz]

Not a war? Please explain that NBC show that put a "snipers wanted" sign on a photo of George W. Bush. Or how about Ms Totenberg's death wish for Lt. Gen. Boykin? (She changed it to a career death wish only after her fellow panelists expressed shock.) Alec Baldwin's screaming that Henry Hyde and his family should be killed? More examples have been posted here in the past.

Well, to be fair, a few isolated cases of verbal excesses by unwise individuals does not a civil war make.

[Lazamataz]

In 1998 I was stating an a second Civil War in the USA was likely. We almost had the spark in November and December of 2000. The pressure is still building and it will go off unless there are some major changes. One thing that actually helped defer Civil War in the USA was 9/11/01. An attack on America from outside America will tend to bring us together.

The only problem with this scenario is that Civil Wars usually require geographic divisions of the peoples that are warring, or some other distinguishable characteristic (such as race in Zimbabwe). We are far too integrated for anything but a very low level of violence. More like acts of criminality, terrorism, and the like as opposed to the organization of armies to fight a standard war.

One thing that is NOT unlikely, is a Russian-style coup.