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Mother, brother visit Terri Schiavo
First Coast News (ABC 25 and NBC 12) ^
| 10/19/2003
| AP
Posted on 10/19/2003 7:36:14 PM PDT by yonif
PINELLAS PARK, FL (AP) -- The mother and brother of a brain-damaged woman have visited her at a Pinellas Park hospice. Bob Schindler Junior says his sister Terri Schiavo is hanging on.
The staff disconnected a feeding tube Wednesday on court orders obtained by her husband. Her parents, siblings and supporters are trying to get Governor Jeb Bush to intervene.
Schiavo is expected to die within days. She has been in a persistent vegetative state since complications from a heart attack in 1990.
TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: catholiclist; florida; schiavo; terri
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posted on
10/19/2003 7:36:14 PM PDT
by
yonif
To: yonif
Could somebody post the link to the Florida legislature again?
To: Lion in Winter; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; ...
Ping.
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posted on
10/19/2003 7:39:06 PM PDT
by
narses
("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
To: MarMema; Don Joe; sarasmom; texasbluebell
Ping for new developments
To: yonif
Already posted.
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posted on
10/19/2003 7:40:01 PM PDT
by
Pan_Yans Wife
(You may forget the one with whom you have laughed, but never the one with whom you have wept.)
To: Lion in Winter
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posted on
10/19/2003 8:06:17 PM PDT
by
yonif
("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
To: Lion in Winter
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posted on
10/19/2003 8:08:08 PM PDT
by
WackySam
("There's room for all God's creatures- right next to the taters")
To: WackySam; yonif
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
To: WackySam
Excellent, thank you for those lists!
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posted on
10/19/2003 8:31:01 PM PDT
by
incindiary
(Proverbs 31:8)
To: yonif
Schiavo is expected to die within days. She has been in a persistent vegetative state since complications from a heart attack in 1990.
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It's been 40 years since I took neurology. There is an area of the brain, just below the hytalamus, if I remember correctly, where a lesion will leave a person fully conscious, but incapable of voluntary movement. They do, however exhibit involuntary movements and reactions. These involuntary movements may be what people are seeing in her responsiveness. If so, she is quite conscious in the ordinary sense, just as you or I, but incapable of most voluntary movement. I saw a case such as this in a hospital in about 1957.
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posted on
10/19/2003 9:03:46 PM PDT
by
RLK
To: RLK
If so, this is far from being in a vegetative state.
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posted on
10/19/2003 9:09:57 PM PDT
by
RLK
To: yonif
nice try....listing jeb's website....but do you honestly think that someone who is incabable of taking care of his own children(i.e. drug/alcohol dependency) would even bother helping someone else's daughter??
teenage alcoholics don't usually crop up in stable homes.....i don't think jeb is capable of helping terri..
To: RLK
How does the patient report consciousness in such a case? Once shut in the box, how does the information get back out?
To: The Red Zone
How does the patient report consciousness in such a case? Once shut in the box, how does the information get back out?
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The patient can't voluntarily report anything, or can report very little. In this case the patient would laugh or smile at jokes and do similar things because they are relatively involuntary acts. However, he could not move his body voluntarily. He took an amount of abuse because doctors and other people thought he was faking. They'd try to shake or threaten him out of it.
In about 1964 I took a course from Dr. Sebastian Peter Grossman in which he described the function of that area of the brain, and I realize what I may have been seeing about seven years before.
It's been years and I no longer have my note nor have been involved in the area. A MRI or even an EEG might detect the problem. However, it would take someone who even knows it exists or suspects it to look for it.
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posted on
10/19/2003 10:00:16 PM PDT
by
RLK
To: RLK
Give her a PET (positron emission tomography ) scan...this looks at brain function...would clear up her mental status immediately and with no ambiguity....expensive ...but in this case justified.
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posted on
10/19/2003 10:36:47 PM PDT
by
spokeshave
(Cancel the San Jose Merc and the one way truck to Nevada)
To: spokeshave
A pet might work. An EEG might work. There are people who can read EEGs from the next room and tell what muscle a person is using. The point is, there is reason for far more serious caution and examination here than I am seeing. She's in the middle of a medical, legal, and husband lynch mob.
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posted on
10/19/2003 10:44:28 PM PDT
by
RLK
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