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Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 19 October 2003 | Bill Steigerwald

Posted on 10/19/2003 5:30:29 AM PDT by Vigilanteman

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:03:11 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Chris Matthews said something frighteningly stupid the other night on "Hardball." While debating whether we should spend $87 billion to rebuild Iraq, Matthews said something like "there are plenty of dying cities in this country that could use that kind of federal money."

Wrong, Christopher. Very wrong.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: degradation; environmental; masstransit; pittsburgh; revenuesharing; socialism
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For those who forget that there were once private, well-run, city transit companies . . .
1 posted on 10/19/2003 5:30:29 AM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman
So is this an argument to ruin Iraqi cities (instead of American cities) with $87B, or to reject the spending bill outright (which is what I favor)?
2 posted on 10/19/2003 5:34:38 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Vigilanteman
If Steigerwald is arguing that we shouldn't dump $22 billion into Iraq then he has my vote.
3 posted on 10/19/2003 5:35:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Vigilanteman
We don't have any kind of transit here. Small town south of Houston, no buses, no trains, etc. If you don't have a car, you pay a taxi $20 to take you anywhere. I think small Texas towns are proud to be so independent.
4 posted on 10/19/2003 5:36:08 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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To: Cacophonous
Have you read where the $87 million would go? Ron Paul, my neighbor and friend, is a US congressman. He had an article in the paper the other day outlining where the money would go. $50K per bed for a prison, etc. I will find the article and post it here.

Be right back...
5 posted on 10/19/2003 5:37:34 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Total Vanity Note to self:

I knew a Bill Stiegerwald once, in another life. I wonder if this is the same. Sounds familiar.

6 posted on 10/19/2003 5:37:55 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Vigilanteman
Chris Matthews said something frighteningly stupid the other night on "Hardball".

Why should today be any different?

7 posted on 10/19/2003 5:38:21 AM PDT by Brandon
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To: Vigilanteman
"Free" federal dollars have also ruined such things as medical services, college tuitions, roads, etc.
8 posted on 10/19/2003 5:39:08 AM PDT by Founding Father
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To: buffyt
I read Congressman Paul's article. He's a fine man, and a great American.
9 posted on 10/19/2003 5:42:46 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: Vigilanteman
Chris Matthews said something frighteningly stupid the other night on "Hardball."

Sounds like Mr. Steigerwald was surprised by this. He must not watch Chrissy show very often.

10 posted on 10/19/2003 5:53:15 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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11 posted on 10/19/2003 5:53:42 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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Your Money In Iraq 


Ambassador Paul Bremer, head of the US provisional administration in Iraq, appeared before Congress last week to lobby hard for another $87 billion for nation building.  This figure is in addition to the nearly $80 billion we’ve already spent in Iraq, and the new funding request is for 2004 only.  If we stay in Iraq beyond 2004- and the administration has made it clear that reconstruction will be a long-term project- American taxpayers easily could spend one trillion dollars over the coming years.

The stark reality is that the federal government will fund the open-ended occupation of Iraq either by raising taxes, borrowing overseas, or printing more money.  All three options are bad for average Americans.

It’s important the American people know exactly what they will be paying for in Iraq.  The $87 billion requested is such a huge sum that it seems meaningless to most of us.  The details, however, will astound anyone who resents seeing their tax dollars spent overseas.

The following are just some of the administration’s requests:

-$100 million for several new housing communities, complete with roads, schools, and a medical clinic;

-$20 million for business classes, at a cost of $10,000 per Iraqi student;

-$900 million for imported kerosene and diesel, even though Iraq has huge oil reserves;

-$54 million to study the Iraqi postal system;

-$10 million for prison-building consultants;

-$2 million for garbage trucks;

-$200,000 each for Iraqis in a witness protection program;

-$100 million for hundreds of criminal investigators; and

-$400 million for two prisons, at a cost of nearly $50,000 per bed!

I doubt very seriously that most Americans would approve of their tax dollars being used to fund these projects in Iraq. 

Criticism of this foreign aid spending in Iraq is not restricted to the political left.  Conservative groups and politicians are increasingly angry at the administration’s exorbitant spending.  For example, Congressman Zach Wamp of Tennessee sits on the Appropriations committee, which is responsible for all spending bills.  He has a modest idea: insist the reconstruction money be paid back as a loan when Iraq’s huge oil reserves resume operation.  Similarly, Congressman Jeff Flake of Arizona wants to offset every dollar spent reconstructing Iraq with spending cuts in others areas, especially given the amount of wasteful pork in the federal budget.  But the White House is adamantly opposed to both ideas.  Why is a supposedly conservative administration resisting even the slightest attempts at fiscal restraint?

We have embarked on probably the most extensive nation-building experiment in history.  Our provisional authority seeks nothing less than to rebuild Iraq’s judicial system, financial system, legal system, transportation system, and political system from the top down- all with hundreds of billion of US tax dollars.  We will all pay to provide job-training for Iraqis, while more and more Americans find themselves out of work.  We will pay to secure the Iraqi borders, while our own borders remain porous and vulnerable.  We will pay for housing, health care, social services, utilities, roads, schools, jails, and food in Iraq, leaving American taxpayers with less money to provide these things for themselves at home.  We will saddle future generations with billions in government debt.  The question of whether Iraq is worth this much to us is one lawmakers should answer now by refusing to approve another nickel for nation building. 


12 posted on 10/19/2003 5:53:45 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
That is true. But I thought they have oil money they can use to repay us? We have plenty of towns and cities in the US that are pretty run down, if we are giving away money...
13 posted on 10/19/2003 5:55:06 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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Paying Dearly for Free Prescription Drugs

As Congress finalizes plans to expand Medicare, more and more seniors are beginning to understand that “free” prescription drugs from the government will carry a very high price tag.  The tragedy is that our society is allowing the pharmaceutical industry, phony senior lobbies, and vote-hungry politicians to force millions of older Americans into a government-run Medicare ghetto.

All of us, including seniors, will pay for the drug benefit in the form of higher taxes.  Congress claims the program will cost $400 billion over the next 10 years, but government cost projections cannot be trusted.  Medicare today costs seven times more than originally estimated.  Private economists estimate the true cost will be closer to $3 or $4 trillion over ten years, but even the government’s figure of $400 billion represents the largest entitlement increase since the failed Great Society programs of the 1960s.  This new spending comes as the Treasury faces record single-year deficits, which soon will approach $1 trillion annually. 

The biggest losers under the new program are the 76% of seniors who already have some form of prescription drug coverage.  On average, these seniors spend less than $1,000 per year on drug co-payments and meeting deductible amounts.  Under both the House and Senate proposals, however, millions of American seniors will end up paying more out-of-pocket for drugs than they do now, while having worse coverage.

Furthermore, the Medicare drug benefit gives private companies a perverse incentive to dump their existing prescription coverage and force retirees into the government system.  Many large companies already have badly underfunded pension plans.  As more and more Baby Boomers retire, these companies will face serious financial crises.  They will naturally seek to cut costs by eliminating drug coverage; some companies already have announced their intention to do so when the Medicare drug benefit becomes available.  In fact, the Congressional Budget Office estimates that at least one-third of all retirees will lose their private drug coverage and becomes wards of Medicare.

Prescription drugs are tremendously expensive, but the solution is not a wasteful new one-size-fits-all government drug entitlement.  To lower drug prices, we must eliminate government interference that prevents healthy free-market price competition.

First and foremost, we must eliminate the middleman in health care.  The HMO Act of 1973, coupled with tax rules that do not allow individuals to use pre-tax dollars to pay for health care, combine to force millions of Americans to deal with HMO and Medicare bureaucrats.  Whenever a third-party stands between a doctor and his patient, health care becomes inefficient and expensive.  Individuals should be able to decide with their doctors what drugs are appropriate, and then reduce their taxable income dollar-for-dollar for all drug expenditures.  By forcing employers to offer HMOs and prohibiting individuals from paying for drugs with pre-tax dollars, government enables drug companies to set high prices for deep-pocket middlemen.

The Food and Drug Administration is also directly responsible for high drug costs. Pharmaceutical companies spend hundreds of millions of dollars to bring a single drug to market because of FDA rules.  Often FDA approval is never obtained, no matter how much a company spends developing a drug. So pharmaceutical makers naturally try to recoup their huge investments by charging high prices and lobbying to keep exclusive drug patent periods as lengthy as possible.  We need to understand that the FDA does far more harm than good, both in terms of drug prices and the incalculable chilling effect it has on needed drug research.  With less FDA interference, patents could be shortened and drug development costs reduced.  This would allow greater price competition between drug companies.

The new Medicare drug plan enriches pharmaceutical companies, fleeces taxpayers, and forces millions of older Americans to accept inferior drug coverage.  It does nothing, however, to address the fundamental reasons prescription drugs cost so much.


When we got married in 1973 it cost me $7 to go to doctor, now it is about $100. It used to cost $7 to get a tooth filled, now it is over $100. This is due to insurance "helping" and government "Help" will be just as much "help".
14 posted on 10/19/2003 5:57:51 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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As I understand it, Iraq has trillions in oil reserves but lacks the infrastructure and financing to make use of it.

It seems a good investment for the US to stimulate the economic growth of Iraq in exchange for a long-term stable mideast nation. It's a monetary and national security gamble worthy of the risk, IMO.

That said, we won't know the results for a generation.
15 posted on 10/19/2003 5:59:27 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: buffyt
Can you imagine what a disaster our nation would have been if we had an ignorant country standing by to contribute millions of dollars to establish socialism such as we are doing in Iraq? At least we had i50 years of relative freedom before becoming a socialist state.
16 posted on 10/19/2003 6:05:00 AM PDT by meenie
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To: buffyt
"Whenever a third-party" (i.e., a government or its' programs) "stands between ......becomes inefficient and expensive...."

These words should be engravened on every legislator's head (and no comments please about the mark of the beast--or on 2nd thought---).
17 posted on 10/19/2003 6:42:56 AM PDT by Founding Father
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To: Vigilanteman; Budge; sweetliberty; Travelgirl; pulaskibush
The city of Little Rock, Arkansas is also in the middle of a boondogle project - the "River Rail Project".

Little Rock has opperated a city transit service for many years (CAT). Many routes have been shut down or re-drawn over the years because of lack of interest. When a revitalization project was started several years ago, the "River Market" district was formed. This project has actually turned into something positive. BUT-

After the River Market district started taking off, the Central Arkansas Transit system decided (with the encouragement of the Little Rock City Council) to purchase some very innefficient and ugly bus/trolley's. These beasts were thought to be a plus for the area and were suppose to ease transportation and parking troubles. Unfortunately, after spending huge sums for these fake trolleys, the riders still were not there. The downtown routes had already been loosing money like a river.

So - what's the answer? Get federal funds to buld a "light rail system" in the same area. This rail system is to basically replace the trolleys and connect the north bank of the river with the south bank and with the Clintoon library.

Where exactly do they expect to get the riders to justify this wasted? Oh, they say, it will draw more people to the downtown area. Ummm...yeah, like the trollys did?

Every time I am in the area, I see the major construction going on and my wallet starts throbbing. I wonder what new boondogle project they will come up with after this one fails....????
18 posted on 10/19/2003 6:46:26 AM PDT by TheBattman
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To: Vigilanteman
What about that tunnel being built in Boston. I don't remember all the details, but it has been under construction from something like 20 years and has cost billions upon billions and still shows no signs of being completed.
19 posted on 10/19/2003 6:46:55 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: buffyt
Prison labor would save millions.
20 posted on 10/19/2003 7:07:50 AM PDT by Vaduz
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