Hilaire Belloc: The Great and Enduring Heresy of Mohammed [Chilling Clairvoyance]

The Great Heresies ^ | 1938 | Hilaire Belloc

[dennisw]

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[PsyOp]

Excellent post!

Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....

[risk]

Curious but also sickening for his lack of courage and faith in western civilization; he is an enemy of the Reformation and the Enlightenment:

The bad work begun at the Reformation is bearing its final fruit in the dissolution of our ancestral doctrines the very structure of our society is dissolving.

Like Adolf Hitler did, he ascribes communism to Jews as though it were something in their blood that would bring on conspiratorial evils to Christendom:

In the place of the old Christian enthusiasms of Europe there came, for a time, the enthusiasm for nationality, the religion of patriotism. But self-worship is not enough, and the forces which are making for the destruction of our culture, notably the Jewish Communist propaganda from Moscow, have a likelier future before them than our old-fashioned patriotism.

And an early enemy of Jewish settlement in their old homelands:

There has been bloodshed under the French mandate more than once and it will be renewed[2]; while under the English mandate the forcing of an alien Jewish colony upon Palestine has raised the animosity of the native Arab population to white heat. Meanwhile a ubiquitous underground Bolshevist propaganda is working throughout Syria and North Africa continually, against the domination of Europeans over the original Mohammedan population.

[dennisw]

He is still making a good try. That era was not kind to Jews. Franklin Roosevelt wouldn't take in Jewish refugees nor bomb the rail lines to the death camps.

Spain kicked out the Jews along with the Muslims but it was still a great and historic move. Same with the Crusaders who often left dead Jews in their wake......At least they were taking on Islam.

[Destro]

Posted for the upteenth time on FreeRepublic.....

[SevenDaysInMay]

Mo'ham', by islam's own version of history, was an ex-merchant, murdering caravan thief with a gang. Some kind of displaced or outclassed arab James Gang had he. Mo'ham married above his station, twice as I vaguely recall. His night tripping, bummer hash?, one night caused his illiterate fool gang to lay claim to Jerusalem, that alone. Hey, let's kill all the Jews onour way. He smashed all the moon rocks save the big one called allah, kept in the cube tent in Mecca, there today.

Mo'ham' began this death cult promising other arab criminal sociopaths a drunken orgy with six dozen reprocessed virgins for those most successful dead mass murderers in the name of Mo'ham's gang's conquests. What a scam.

Mo'ham's new cult had little competition in the lands of the rigidly stratified near caste systems.

[Destro]

No, you are wrong in a way. Islam was heavyily influenced by many things including a Arian Christianity.

[Destro]

Copts being 10% of the population of Egypt does not qualify as almost vanished.

[dennisw]

I like it! That's a late night riff from the "More Mad Mo' Blues" volume 1

[risk]

He is still making a good try.

I'm not sure it's all that useful. To me it seems more like an argument that some forms of tyranny need to be continued because there's an outside threat. And there were people who knew better about the Jews in the 1930s. I don't claim to understand anti-semitism, but I think it's a confluence of misunderstanding Christianity's origins in Judaism, raw xenophobia, and simple scapegoatism. It never had any merit. FDR should never have turned away the St. Louis, and it's an embarassing mark on our history that he did.

By the way, the Japanese were preaching anti-semitism (i.e. blaming "the international Jew") before and during WWII, as well.

In any case, the Belloc clearly doesn't get why the west has been so successful: it's because we've abandoned irrationalism. He blames our supposedly impending downfall (in 1939 this would have been easy) on the abandonment of tradition. This is a very anti-American, anti-modern, and superstitious. How familiar, as we hear that sort of thing today.

The west will survive the current Islamic threat without this guy's alarmist advice.

[genefromjersey]

Egyptian Copts, according to the author. ( Book was Plague Wars - a bit of a "droner" , but worth plowing through. )

[genefromjersey]

Destro,that's by comparison. Before the plague hit them, they were pretty close to being the "state religion" of Egypt, and had begun expanding into what is now Arabia.

[xzins]

Mohammed, I read somewhere, was originally

You read wrong. Or were informed wrong.

Mohammed was an Arab from Mecca....worshipping a tribal moon god name allah.

[genefromjersey]

Don't know about moon gods-moon pies,yes.
From what little I've read about Islam ( as written by Islamic people )they weren't into moon gods.

[theFIRMbss]

>I support standing up for our Judeo/Christian values. I oppose Islamic jihad for world domination. I support opposing those in Islam who would through Jihad impose their perverse Sharia laws on us or anyone, even Muslims. If you wish to see that as a perversion of Christ, you go right ahead and do so.

Just for the record, when Christ was walking around, Romans were bent on world domination. Many Jews viewed Herod's rule as perverse Roman imposition... But Jesus wasted little breath on such politics. Paul, too, didn't waste a single epistle on sundry politics. So, yes, I do wish to see attempts to recast the Gospel into a Steven Seagal script as a perversion of Christ. But, hey, that's me...

[xzins]

This is from YOUR post #7 Mohammed, I read somewhere, was originally a Jew-though he and his tribe might have been long separated from anything resembling orthodox Judaism.

This is inaccurate.

If you go here Islam and Mohammed you can read a bit about "allah's" place in Mohammed's arabic tribe.....allah was a moon god. Given the history of moon god's in that region, that puts him in league with that pantheistic groupings of god names that come from that region.....ba'al, ashtoreth, molech, in particular were associated with heavenly bodies that were worshippped.

[genefromjersey]

This was hardly written by a Muslim !

[xzins]

It appears that ELSEWHERE you read things NOT written by muslims. No muslim would've written that Mohammed was a jew. Where'd you read that?

And since you read non-muslim material and used it in your proclamations, why not read something else.

Unless, of course, you feel like 'fessing up that you didn't really read anything about mohammed being a jew.....that you...uh...made it up misunderstood and misstated.

[jocon307]

well, you know, what can I say. Render unto Ceaser, etc. I agree with that.

But, it is the Muslims who have started a relious war, not us. But for us it may end up a religious war, altho' we may get ALL the atheists on our side.

It would be nice to be able to be Christ-like and above it all, but in the fallen world that is not an option.

(OK, and forgive the tagline, my inclination is to remove it, but I am not sick of it yet, so just ignore it, if you will - thanks)

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