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My 30-30 marlin 336 will group within an inch at 100 yards all day long.

You are one "soopabadass" my friend. Are you loading your own...if so...would you mind sharing some data with some us that are 30-30 impaired.

"You are one "soopabadass" my friend."

I wouldn't say that. That was from a machine rest with handloads. A machine rest can make even the worst shooter look good :^) sorry I didn't clarify this in my previous post! What I was talking about about was the inherant ability of the round, not about the ability of the shooter. I can't remember the specs, I'd have to find my notes to get those for you, but I can tell you that that load didn't do near so well in another rifle (an old marlin model 36, the predecessor to the 336) more like about an inch and a half to two inches. I do remember that the bullet was a spire point, not something you would load into a tube magazine, but rather load only one at a time. That was back when I was experimenting with a lot of different loads (way back before I was married and had children)