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To: Rudder
"Data will resolve this issue for scientists."

How naive. Just as the article says, there are people on both sides who will not listen. On BOTH sides. And some of them on the scientific side use their positions of authority at universities and in professional societies to squelch any opposing views. Data is not the issue.
55 posted on 10/18/2003 11:06:10 AM PDT by Rocky
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To: Rocky
Data is not the issue.

Data are the only issues science uses to make decisions. Philosopical discourse doesn't mean squat in this matter. That's why threads like this are somewhat irritating because we all resort to argument and persuasion when only data will make the difference. If you favor creationism...act like a scientist and go generate some data.

95 posted on 10/18/2003 8:41:04 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Rocky
Just as the article says, there are people on both sides who will not listen. On BOTH sides. And some of them on the scientific side use their positions of authority at universities and in professional societies to squelch any opposing views.

And creationism should be squelched in our classrooms. Evolution is only a theory, but it is a real scientific theory. Creationism belongs in a department of religion, not biology. There is not and should not be anything democratic about science. You debate the merrit of a scientific idea based on the evidence to support it, not how it makes you feel or jives or not with your worldview.

Creationists are just as whiny about being excluded for valid reasons in classrooms as the left is on talk radio. Creationism offers nothing in the way of a scientific theory. It is a "theory" based on a religious text, not mathematical proofs, observations backed by decades of followup inquiry, etc. Evolution as we know it now probably is not correct, but it is a more reasonable theory to be taught in a classroom. That, coming from a liberal creationist..

Data is not the issue.

Data, not your opinion or mine, on a subject is the only thing that matters in science. There is your "truth" and then there is that truth which can be objectively observed.

102 posted on 10/19/2003 7:46:25 AM PDT by CodeMonkey
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