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To: PsyOp
All forms of evil today come directly from organized religion despite which religion it is. Again, that`s ORGANIZED religion! Organized religion IS Satan,or evil, it is evil in the purest sense, and the fact that most don`t realize that is where it is truly sinister. It`s where evil gets it`s power. All religion comes from fear of death. Organized religion holds great power over people because it uses that fear of death and abuses it, it uses the fear of the unknown in groups, and through that, evil becomes greater than if it were alone. Spirituality is for the individual. It`s not made for an orgy, and when it becomes an orgy, sides are taken. You can put two Catholics, two Muslims, two Jews together, and they`ll all scream and yell and threaten that they are of a certain religion, but they never are. They are individuals and they will always interpret their religious beliefs differently. Jesus, Muhammed, Budda etc all spoke to individuals about death and how they handle it, and how maybe you should too. It`s evil and idiocy that peverted what those guys said and made their words not for empowerment of the individual but empowerment for the orgy, the evil alone, and all the fighting and killing today comes from that. Everyone is different, organized religion doesn`t allow that for your spirituality. Put it this way; One guy saying your beliefs are crap means nothing. One million guys saying it is something else. And before all you 'Christians' think it doesn`t mean you as well, take a look at Ireland. Churches, Mosques, Temples...They`re all kettles of evil, houses for the conned. And I bet just from me writing that I put a chill up your spine. I don`t care, because I know God loves me and he told me I am right. I will not fall into that con that judges others by their "sin" of being individuals.
103 posted on 10/22/2003 12:06:18 AM PDT by metalboy (Liberals-Nuke `em from orbit. It`s the only way to be sure.)
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To: metalboy
They`re all kettles of evil, houses for the conned. And I bet just from me writing that I put a chill up your spine.

Quite the rant.

Though I consider myself a member of the Christian faith, I don't care much for churches. Give me the book, let me read, and I'll make up my own mind. So on that much we probably agree.

Where I would disagree, however is that all "organized" religions are equal. All religious constructs are subject to abuse by those who claim leadership. Eventually, however, the scope of the treachery they can commit in a religion's name is constrained by the written teachings of that religion, which are recognized by its rank and file adherents. Eventually they reign in clerics who travel too far out of bounds. This was the case in the many reformations of the Christian religion--which continue to this day.

In the case of Islam, what would be considered clerical abuse of scripture among Christians, is, in fact, supported and encouraged in the Koran. Islamic clerics have not been called to account for the evil they are encouraging because they are, in fact, following the written teachings of their religion.

The simplest way to judge the reletive merits of Christianity and Islam, is to compare the United States with any Islamic country of your choice.

The United States, who's laws and social structure were (and for the most part still are), based on the Judeo-Christian ethic continues to advance the cause of human rights and justice. We are country that people are banging down the doors to enter.

Islamic countries, those based on Koranic law, are mostly totalitarian dictatorships. Many still practice slavery. These are countries where people (except for the privileged classes), can't leave fast enough.

As for which "organized" religions are more-or-less evil, just ask yourself which country you would rather live in. The United States (Judeo-Christian), Saudi Arabia (Islamic), India (Hindu), or China (atheist--yes, it's as much a matter of faith as any religion).

BTW. Not only did you not put a "chill" up my spine, I found the superficiality of your post amusing (I used to think much the same thing). You need to read your history a bit more carefully and expand the scope of what you do read.

"As the union between spiritual freedom and political liberty seems nearly inseparable, it is our duty to defend both. And defense in the first instance is best." - Thomas Paine, Pennsylvania Magazine. 1775.

"Whenever the visible church has been oppressed, political freedom has suffered with it." - Thomas Paine, Pennsylvania Magazine. 1775.

"It must never be forgotten that religion gave birth to Anglo-American society. In the United States, religion is therefore mingled with all the habits of the nation and all the feelings of patriotism, whence it derives a peculiar force. To this reason another of no less power may be added: in America, religion has, as it were, laid down its own limits. Religious institutions have remained wholly distinct from political institutions, so that former laws have been easily changed whilst former belief has remained unshaken." - De Tocqueville.

"For my own part, I doubt whether man can ever support at the same time complete religious independence and entire political freedom. And I am inclined to think that, if faith be wanting in him, he must be subject; and if he be free, he must believe." - De Tocqueville.

"Wisdom, benevolence and courage: these are the three universal virtues. Some practice them with the ease of nature; some for the sake of their own advantage; and some by dint of great effort." - Confucius, Analects, c.400 b.c.

108 posted on 10/22/2003 10:04:15 AM PDT by PsyOp ( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
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