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To: MissAmericanPie
First, please quit putting atheists and homosexuals in the same light. Homosexuals are doing something that is regarded as highly immoral in the eyes of millions in this society regardless of religion. Those people can rightly rebel against something they see as a corruption of their society.

Atheists can be acting as morally, or more morally, as Christians. The only place the two meet is in the activism end which enrages many of us. But Christians also have their annoying activists.

To the point, some of these quotes are questionable.

I hold the precepts of Jesus as delivered by Himself, to be the most pure, benevolent and sublime which have ever been preached to man

I've never heard that one, although it could be possible withouth the capital on "Himself." The closest I can find is

To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; & believing he never claimed any other.
He believed in the teachings of Jesus as a human, nothing more. Of course, anyone with half a brain and a good heart would find his teachings most wise. As to the mystical part of Jesus that your religion is founded on, Jefferson says about his teachings:
They have been still more disfigured by the corruptions of schismatising followers, who have found an interest in sophisticating & perverting the simple doctrines he taught by engrafting on them the mysticisms of a Grecian sophist [my emphasis], frittering them into subtleties, & obscuring them with jargon, until they have caused good men to reject the whole in disgust, & to view Jesus himself as an impostor.
According to Jefferson, Christianity as practiced as a religion is a corruption of Jesus' works.

Many of the other Founding Father quotes can also be countered with others. But this more modern one leads me to a point:

President Ronald Reagan said, "Without God there is not virtue because there is no prompting of the conscience..."

This is a simple difference of worldview, nothing more. Christians see humans as highly fallible, needing the guidance of God to keep them in line. Your doctrine of original sin guarantees that we start out in a corrupted state, needing to be saved. Athiests, and especially Humanists, see humans in much better light, capable of being moral without daddy in the sky to threaten them if they get out of line.

339 posted on 10/20/2003 8:38:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Oh please. Do not attach to atheists a noblility of purpose. It's bad enough that they decieve themselves that their cause is noble, then attach that nobility to themselves. People, people like me that suck the very marrow from the bones of logic will always insist that they face their true destructive image in their own mirrors.

Atheists, deists, and Christians came together in a common purpose to found this nation. They all held between them that the principles found in Christianity were important and good enough to found the nation on, whether one himself accepted Christ as saviour or not.

They all attested to the destruction of the nation should these Christian principles not be upheld. The Fed has determined that society has the right to insist that children receive sex education in school lest their parents fail in their responsibility to teach it, to the detriment of society as a whole.

How much more so should the Fed insist that the principles of Christianity be taught in school lest the parent fail to do so and rob the child of the history and foundations of his nation, as well as rob him of the foundations on which to build his character, even if he never accepts Christ as his saviour? The founding fathers agreed these principles are paramont to the survival of the nation I think they knew full well what they were talking about.

Which principles of Christianity is so hateful to the atheist? Love your neighbor as yourself? Do unto other's as you would have them do unto you? That they find these things hateful speaks volumns. Sounds like a personal problem that therapy might help them deal with. So yes, they are as destructive in their own way to society and the survival of the documents of the constitution that ensure our freedom as homosexuals are destructive in their own way to the same.

344 posted on 10/20/2003 9:17:24 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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