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To: judicial meanz
This part is something that struck me, because I had to endure the same exact thing for over 7 months.

We're talking about a three week period here in the article though that treatment wasn't available. This isn't unusual. Note, the reporter didn't say why treatment wasn't available. Journalists skew facts as much through what they decide not to tell as by what they do. For what it's worth, I had to wait two years for treatment.

You become a budget issue, not a soldier who served for 27 years

And this is different from normal American life how?

Around 60 soldiers cram in the bunk beds in each barrack.

Guys in bunk beds? Well, look. Maybe this sounds horrid to you, but I just don't see it. I lived many many moons in these types of conditions. Best time of my life. What's wrong with bunk beds? It's better than the floor. Congress can say what they want- they're full of it anyway. What's next? Conditions in Basic are too harsh because each soldier doesn't have his own personal room?

If they are on crutches, chances are some have open wounds that are draining ar whatever.

Why? Most people who get crutches (in my experience) have sprained ligaments in the ankle or knee. Even me with torn ligaments- I didn't have open wounds. This is pure speculation on your part.

Look, I will say it again as I have said it before- I am absolutely certain there are soldiers there with legitimate complaints. But I don't buy for one second on this scant info that something grave and terrible is happening here. What the reporter describes sounds like totally normal Army life to me.

85 posted on 10/17/2003 4:51:53 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Guys in bunk beds? Well, look. Maybe this sounds horrid to you, but I just don't see it. I lived many many moons in these types of conditions. Best time of my life. What's wrong with bunk beds? It's better than the floor. Congress can say what they want- they're full of it anyway. What's next? Conditions in Basic are too harsh because each soldier doesn't have his own personal room?

It didnt sound horrid to me. Most of the time I was on submarines, I had to hotbunk with three people to 2 bunks. They were alot smaller than these, and often had high pressure hydraulic/air/oxygen valves inside them that could burst and kill you. I never saw trees, we had no windows, and it stunk to high heaven. The diesels would suck the snot out your nose when the head valve shut while we were snorkeling. I handled that, so I can handle this part with no problem. You are right there, bunks are part of the military experience.

Why? Most people who get crutches (in my experience) have sprained ligaments in the ankle or knee. Even me with torn ligaments- I didn't have open wounds. This is pure speculation on your part

You base your experience on torn ligaments and you ahve stressed that point several times. I base my point on trauma injuries, which I suffered, which did have to be drained and cleaned. I guess we both use our own experiences to translate the article.

87 posted on 10/17/2003 5:00:25 PM PDT by judicial meanz (Fry Arafat....baste him in Pig grease...and bury him upside down in a a manure pile)
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To: Prodigal Son
Look, I will say it again as I have said it before- I am absolutely certain there are soldiers there with legitimate complaints

I agree totally. And I know some are probably just loafing away with BS wounds as a form of malingering. I am addressing the guys who need to be there, not them.

90 posted on 10/17/2003 5:02:20 PM PDT by judicial meanz (Fry Arafat....baste him in Pig grease...and bury him upside down in a a manure pile)
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