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Thumbs up for the finger (giving “the finger” does not constitute a “breach of the peace”)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 17, 2003 - 9:52AM

Posted on 10/17/2003 6:40:58 AM PDT by dead

A Texas court has ruled that the use of the middle finger does not constitute a breach of peace, even when used in anger.

The state's third Court of Appeals ruled recently that the signal was not an "immediate breach of the peace", as had been found in a lower court, The Houston Chronicle reported today.

The case involved Robert Lee Coggin, an impatient Austin driver who tailgated another driver until he pulled into the slower lane.

Coggin pulled around to pass and allegedly gestured with his "impudent finger", court documents said.

The slower driver, John Pastrano, a county jailer, promptly filed a complaint with police, who hauled Coggin into court for making an offensive gesture that constituted inciting a breach of peace.

Coggin, an electrical engineer, was fined $US250 ($A364). He then spent $US15,000 ($A21,865) appealing the decision.

In its decision that revoked the fine, the Appeals Court recalled that the gesture was time-honoured enough to merit a Latin name.

"The middle-finger jerk was so popular among the Romans that they even gave a special name to the middle digit, calling it the impudent finger: digitus impudicus," the court was quoted as saying by the Chronicle.

Warming to its subject, the court also said the gesture has been referred to by "classical authors. ... The middle-finger jerk has survived for over 2000 years and is still current in many parts of the world, especially in the United States."

Chief Justice Kenneth Law disagreed and wrote in a dissenting opinion that "one must ignore the reality of modern life to not recognise that many instances of 'road rage' begin in such a manner".

DPA


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Coggin pulled around to pass and allegedly gestured with his "impudent finger", court documents said. The slower driver, John Pastrano, a county jailer, promptly filed a complaint with police

Homo.

Coggin, an electrical engineer, was fined $US250 ($A364). He then spent $US15,000 ($A21,865) appealing the decision.

Knucklehead.

1 posted on 10/17/2003 6:40:58 AM PDT by dead
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2 posted on 10/17/2003 6:41:16 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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"The middle-finger jerk was so popular among the Romans that they even gave a special name to the middle digit, calling it the impudent finger: digitus impudicus," the court was quoted as saying by the Chronicle.
Interesting. The story I had heard was that the English longbowmen were so effective against the French that the latter would cut the middle finger off captured English soldiers so that they could not draw it. The English waved the finger at the French to annoy them after defeating them in battle.

One should probably assume that someone "A.R." enough to poke along at or below the speed limit in the fast lane is also the kind of person who will run snitching to the police.

-Eric

3 posted on 10/17/2003 6:45:05 AM PDT by E Rocc (Browns 13, Raiders 7)
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4 posted on 10/17/2003 6:46:07 AM PDT by TBall
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This is an extremely stupid decision. Flipping somebody off is certainly the equivalent of "fighting words" and should be considered the same way.
5 posted on 10/17/2003 6:50:33 AM PDT by jimt
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To: dead
Sometimes it just can't be matched:

-Eric

6 posted on 10/17/2003 6:51:41 AM PDT by E Rocc (Browns 13, Raiders 7)
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I love that one. If I were King of America, that's exactly what I'd build there.

Actually, I'd build a park at ground zero and build that at the former site of the UN building.

7 posted on 10/17/2003 6:56:47 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Everybody does that!!!!

8 posted on 10/17/2003 7:00:55 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Ban dumbocRATs forever!)
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"an impatient Austin driver who tailgated another driver until he pulled into the slower lane."

Tailgaters should be aware of the Two Second Rule: Takes two seconds to send 5 ea 200gr jacketed hollowpoints downrange. Another two seconds to reload. Rinse. Repeat.

9 posted on 10/17/2003 7:06:41 AM PDT by Feckless
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Less legal (and moral) implications if slow drivers just keep their wussy granny driving habits out of the left lane.
10 posted on 10/17/2003 7:08:45 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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11 posted on 10/17/2003 7:08:51 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Why do the Flag postage stamps peel off upside down..infiltrators?)
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A Texas court has ruled that the use of the middle finger does not constitute a breach of peace, even when used in anger.

Sometime during the middle ages, the French used x-bows againts their enemies (cant remember the enemy monguls?), anyway, when captured, their enemies would cut off their middle fingers, that being the one used most for the cross-bows.

The french, when coming upon the enemy in battle, would raise their middle fingers to them as "HA! I still have mine!, so watch out!" kind of thing.

The middle finger, if it does denote the "F" word, is still not a bad thing, as in the forgotten early english, F--k, meant literally "to till the soil"

12 posted on 10/17/2003 7:15:23 AM PDT by Roughneck (9 out of 10 Terrorists prefer Democrats, the rest prefer Saddam Hussein)
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The slower driver, John Pastrano, a county jailer, promptly filed a complaint with police


SOunds like this guy got special, or favored treatment because he was a jailer. Wonder if the average jpe could get the same quick action?
13 posted on 10/17/2003 7:16:47 AM PDT by Roughneck (9 out of 10 Terrorists prefer Democrats, the rest prefer Saddam Hussein)
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Homo.

Yes, anyone giving the finger from a “safe” distance is a bonafied “Homo”. This becomes apparent when said “Homo” is confronted by the “Fingered” while pulling over at a gas station.

14 posted on 10/17/2003 7:16:53 AM PDT by johnny7
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So, what happened after the prosecutor flipped the Justices the bird?
15 posted on 10/17/2003 7:18:33 AM PDT by Grut
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This becomes apparent when said “Homo” is confronted by the “Fingered” while pulling over at a gas station.

He didn’t confront anybody.

He called the big strong policeman because his itty wittle feewings was hurt.

Just what we need, government enforced politeness.

16 posted on 10/17/2003 7:23:14 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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I agree, it's called the fast or passing lane for a reason. But in right (or only) lane and I'm doing the speed limit I give free reaction/brake tests.
If you're in that big of a hurry you should have left earlier.
17 posted on 10/17/2003 7:27:48 AM PDT by Feckless
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If you're in that big of a hurry you should have left earlier.

Sanctimony sure sounds nice, but you don't know why someone might be speeding: coming home because there was an accident at home, taking a sick person to the hospital, mother in labor, person is on notice that if he is late for work one more time, he will lose his job and then his house, trying to get to the pharmacy before it closes ... you don't know and apparently you don't care.

Let's hope you never have a heart attack across the street from a cardiologist's convention, who can't get to you in time because jaywalking is a crime and they, like you, are all full of holier-than-thou sanctimony and would never jaywalk, and it's a long way down to the intersection, to cross at the light, and then a long way back to you. That would really be a shame, wouldn't it?

18 posted on 10/17/2003 8:01:39 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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Prison for that offense.

Some flippees are different than others.

19 posted on 10/17/2003 8:02:54 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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Sanctimony sure sounds nice, but you don't know why someone might be speeding: coming home because there was an accident at home, taking a sick person to the hospital ....

I don't think we were talking speeding here, but tailgating; a very immature and dangerous act that places lives in jeopardy.

20 posted on 10/17/2003 8:10:08 AM PDT by Agnes Heep
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