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To: f7Oshawn
This kind of article and insensitivity to human suffering really makes me ashamed of the types of people who call themselves "conservative" -

As a county, we do next to nothing to enforce our borders, or our immigration laws. We do nothing because we rely on the cheap labor of immigrant workers to sustain our service industry and agricultural industry. It is completely intelectually dishonest to try and "blame" the immigration problems on immigrants. Immigrants have no control over our immigration policies, or our immigration laws.

Neither political party really wants to stop illegal Mexican immigration - that is because both parties take money from businesses who thrive on illegal immigrant labor.

This is a country of immigrants. Immigration is a complex issue, and one that is subject to incredible rhetoric and callousness in its discussion. Just remember this - you come from immigrants, somewhere, sometime. The bible speaks very plainly about immigrants - do not deny justice to the alien, because you yourself were once aliens. The Israelites were aliens in Egypt, and God rescued them. So it makes sense that God would command them to treat Aliens with dignity and justice. How could God's own people deny justice and fair treatment to aliens given their history?

If you really have a problem with immigration, then put your money where your mouth is. Do not buy any product that was grown or manufactured or shipped or sold without the assistance of illegal immigrant labor. Take the extra costs for the products you do buy and donate that money to charity (you know, the higher cost that you would be paying if there was no illegal immigrant labor involved in your product purchase.) Or maybe you could demand that our own government, especially Republicans (who are in charge of every branch of government) actually enforce our labor laws?

Of course, they are not going to enforce the labor laws. Why? Because they are in the pocket of big business, and big business relies on cheap illegal immigrant labor to keep its profit ratios up.

The insensitivity and downright cruelness that I see when we discuss immigration is saddening. If we wanted to stop illegal immigration, we could. Until then, I would propose that we remember our own roots, and remember God's message about aliens...



Exodus 23:9
"Do not oppress an alien; you yourselves know how it feels to be aliens, because you were aliens in Egypt.

Leviticus 19:33
"When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him."

Leviticus 19:34
"The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God. "
331 posted on 10/17/2003 7:39:25 AM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
This kind of article and insensitivity to human suffering really makes me ashamed of the types of people who call themselves "conservative" -

This is a country of immigrants. Immigration is a complex issue, and one that is subject to incredible rhetoric and callousness in its discussion. Just remember this - you come from immigrants, somewhere, sometime. The bible speaks very plainly about immigrants - do not deny justice to the alien, because you yourself were once aliens.

While I agree with you that it is bad taste to joke over deaths, I would adress a couple of points of your post.

Yes, we are a country of immigrants. As a matter of fact, I am immigrant. However, the phrases "we are a country of immigrants" was coined in the days when the time-honored title of "immigrant" was understood to mean a legal immigrant who came to this country in accordance with the Rule of Law and the term was not used as a Politically Correct euphemism for "illegal alien".

In regards to deaths in the desert, I fail to see how that qualifies as a matter of "justice".

Death in the desert qualifies as death because somebody foolishly challenged Mother Nature and lost.

Mother Nature is not Politically Correct. She is a rather mean mother. If you do something stupid, Mother Nature will have no qualms about killing you.

Within the line of sight from my own house, white, middle-class recreational kyacker have died in our bay because of their bad judgement in challenging weather they should not have challenged.

Within the line of sight from my own house, white, middle-class mountaineers have died on the slopes of Mount Rainier on a rather regular basis by climbing in weather they shouldn't be climbing in.

Those people foolishly challeged Mother Nature and Mother Nature killed them.

Trekking through the American Southwest desert without the "Ten Essentials" to last you from start to finish qualifies, not as a matter of "justice", but as a matter of extreme stupidity and recklessness when dealing with Mother Nature.

349 posted on 10/17/2003 8:24:59 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
If you really have a problem with immigration, then put your money where your mouth is.

If you think we should have open borders and that we should give everything to illegals, then put your money where your mouth is. Go down to the border with water and a first aid kit. Find some illegals and take them into your home. Feed them, house them, clothe them, educate them. Take in as many as you can afford. Do it even if you and your children suffer and do without, even if you have to take on a second or third job.

But no. You're not going to do that. I bet you have locks on your door. You're just very good at telling other people that they should gladly suffer, lose their money, and sacrifice their children's future for illegal aliens.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the government should take money by force from people and give it to lawbreakers. That's theft. People who want the government to do that are coveters. I don't have a Bible with me, but Paul said that anyone who is not willing to care for those of his own household is worse than an unbeliever. God requires us to care for our own first. He does not require us to sacrifice our children's future in order to care for lawbreakers. The Bible also says we should be in submission to those in authority over us. That means obeying the law.

If you want to be "compassionate" to illegals, bully for you. Donate to charities that give to illegals. That's what God wants...voluntary charity, given out of the goodness of one's heart. NOT government taking our money by force and giving it to envious, covetous, lawbreaking people, all in the name of votes, cheap labor, and ethnic power!

351 posted on 10/17/2003 8:41:23 AM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
BUMP! Great post and very well expressed.
355 posted on 10/17/2003 10:57:35 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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