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205 migrants die hard, lonely deaths (Barf Alert)
AZcentral ^ | Oct. 16, 2003 | Susan Carroll

Posted on 10/16/2003 10:24:22 AM PDT by f7Oshawn

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It is a lonely place to die, out in the soft sandy washes. The desert floor, with its volcanic rock, can reach 160 degrees. Most people go down slowly.

Blood starts to seep into the lungs. Exposed skin burns and the sweat glands shut down. Little hemorrhages, tiny leaks, start in the heart.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; arizonarepublic; illegals; immigrantlist; immigrants; liberalwackos; poorimmigrants
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Hey, you want consistency, buy or bake some bread. :))
21 posted on 10/16/2003 10:39:35 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: f7Oshawn
Boo frickin hoo!
22 posted on 10/16/2003 10:40:24 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: f7Oshawn

23 posted on 10/16/2003 10:40:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
They're starving in Mexico, and that's why they illegally enter the U.S.? This is the first I've heard of it.
24 posted on 10/16/2003 10:41:07 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Yes, many in fact more than one-half died of starvation in the cruel winters of the Northeast.

The difference here is that none of the survivors blamed England for "allowing" their deaths.

25 posted on 10/16/2003 10:41:31 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: KevinDavis
I said it better.
26 posted on 10/16/2003 10:41:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: jpl; BCrago66; f7Oshawn
Running out of water wouldn't be a problem.

Have any of you heard that the illegals want to sue the US for not providing water stations in the desert?

They dare to enter this country illegaly by coming thru the desert and want us to put water stations every few miles, so they don't run out of water on their trip.

BULL$#IT

27 posted on 10/16/2003 10:41:55 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (I am ashamed the dixie chicks are from Texas!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
These are Inspector Jeverts in the making I presume.
28 posted on 10/16/2003 10:42:55 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
That's Javerts.
29 posted on 10/16/2003 10:43:26 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: zerosix
If the USA does not want them entering, then why don't we tighten up the border.

Answer: We do want them.
30 posted on 10/16/2003 10:43:32 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Amen. Probably the same liberals and non-thinkers who believe that it is, or should be, the role of the U.S. Government to rescue people in remote areas in the desert while attempting to evade our laws.
31 posted on 10/16/2003 10:44:12 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: BCrago66
Has in occurred to you that the only thing that distinguishes you from those who dies in the desert is luck?

Yeah, well, that and not trying to illegally cross into a foreign nation.

32 posted on 10/16/2003 10:44:36 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: swarthyguy
Your wording should be "we do" but those elected to represent "us", do not want to.
33 posted on 10/16/2003 10:46:18 AM PDT by zerosix
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To: swarthyguy
If the USA does not want them entering, then why don't we tighten up the border.

We are tightening up the border. We even considered a fence, but the liberals went ballistic.

Answer: We do want them.

Not the illegal ones, we don't.

34 posted on 10/16/2003 10:46:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: mountaineer
They're starving in Mexico, and that's why they illegally enter the U.S.? This is the first I've heard of it.

I'll bet almost everybody posting here at F.R. has seen the same stock video footage on the news that I have of some of these illegals climbing over the walls to get into America. There's no doubt that almost all of them are poor, but none of them are "starving to death". There is no massive humanitarian starvation crisis going on in Mexico. I can't blame people for wanting to come here to get a better job than what they have down there, but the guys who sneak in through the desert and die out in the middle of nowhere have nobody to blame but themselves.

35 posted on 10/16/2003 10:46:27 AM PDT by jpl
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To: swarthyguy
If the USA does not want them entering, then why don't we tighten up the border.

Answer: We do want them.

Who's this 'we' you're talking about? It doesn't include me.

36 posted on 10/16/2003 10:47:27 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: BCrago66
Has in occurred to you that the only thing that distinguishes you from those who dies in the desert is luck?

Yes, it has. And I have a thought that makes me think it's not luck alone. Of course, my thought might be just a rationalization, but here it is:

The illegal immigrants who cross in the desert are not representative of Mexican society. They are the people who have nothing to loose, no rescources to come a safer way, and not enough sense to at least avoid the most dangerous of dangerous ways without even a jug of water. All that implies that they are more likely than average to be the outcasts of Mexican society: the criminals, the illiterate, the stupid.

As an aside, I work with Mexicans all day long, and I believe that such a characterization is an accurate description of the illegals, though not of Mexicans overall.

So, perhaps it's not just luck. Perhaps the people who are dying in the desert are, in some way, actually different from me.

You might make the argument that "it's not their fault that they are illiterate or uneducated, or just plain stupid. It's their society's fault, and it's just a matter of luck that they were born into that society, so, therefore, luck is all that separates them from us." I think that is simply begging the question.

OK, so they come from a society of ... how can I put this ... knuckleheads. I grant you that. However, many people and cultures have survived amid a society of knuckleheads to become educated and prosperous. Jews are, of course, a great example, but there are millions of examples of people who managed to (for example) learn to read even though their parents were illiterate. Therefore, it can be done. The ones do not plan ahead, who do not act sensibly, who do not prepare for disasters (i.e., the ones who are dying in the desert) probably could have learned to plan ahead, even though they came from a society of knuckleheads. In other words, that they did not learn to plan ahead is not just a matter of luck, but at least partially their own fault.

The corrolary to that is that these people are, luck aside, exactly the kind you don't want in the country.

Well, that's my analysis for now. I am typing as fast as I can; gotta go to work in a few minutes. Feel free (as I'm sure you will) to pick my argument apart.

37 posted on 10/16/2003 10:48:07 AM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: Lazamataz
Sure we do. We hire them. All over the place. Hotels, developers, landscapers, factories and farms.

It's like Pogo. We can badmouth these illegals but they are coming here because we are hiring them.


38 posted on 10/16/2003 10:48:17 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: Lazamataz
Laz, who are those tearful, sensitive people you picture?
39 posted on 10/16/2003 10:48:35 AM PDT by steve8714 (They were still better than my team.)
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To: jpl
Well put, if there was an actual famine going on in Mexico, let's send in the U.N. and other NGOs to provide food for these people.

I thought that was the official reason for ratifying NAFTA.

40 posted on 10/16/2003 10:48:46 AM PDT by zerosix
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