Posted on 10/16/2003 10:24:22 AM PDT by f7Oshawn
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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The difference here is that none of the survivors blamed England for "allowing" their deaths.
Have any of you heard that the illegals want to sue the US for not providing water stations in the desert?
They dare to enter this country illegaly by coming thru the desert and want us to put water stations every few miles, so they don't run out of water on their trip.
BULL$#IT
Yeah, well, that and not trying to illegally cross into a foreign nation.
We are tightening up the border. We even considered a fence, but the liberals went ballistic.
Answer: We do want them.
Not the illegal ones, we don't.
I'll bet almost everybody posting here at F.R. has seen the same stock video footage on the news that I have of some of these illegals climbing over the walls to get into America. There's no doubt that almost all of them are poor, but none of them are "starving to death". There is no massive humanitarian starvation crisis going on in Mexico. I can't blame people for wanting to come here to get a better job than what they have down there, but the guys who sneak in through the desert and die out in the middle of nowhere have nobody to blame but themselves.
Answer: We do want them.
Who's this 'we' you're talking about? It doesn't include me.
Yes, it has. And I have a thought that makes me think it's not luck alone. Of course, my thought might be just a rationalization, but here it is:
The illegal immigrants who cross in the desert are not representative of Mexican society. They are the people who have nothing to loose, no rescources to come a safer way, and not enough sense to at least avoid the most dangerous of dangerous ways without even a jug of water. All that implies that they are more likely than average to be the outcasts of Mexican society: the criminals, the illiterate, the stupid.
As an aside, I work with Mexicans all day long, and I believe that such a characterization is an accurate description of the illegals, though not of Mexicans overall.
So, perhaps it's not just luck. Perhaps the people who are dying in the desert are, in some way, actually different from me.
You might make the argument that "it's not their fault that they are illiterate or uneducated, or just plain stupid. It's their society's fault, and it's just a matter of luck that they were born into that society, so, therefore, luck is all that separates them from us." I think that is simply begging the question.
OK, so they come from a society of ... how can I put this ... knuckleheads. I grant you that. However, many people and cultures have survived amid a society of knuckleheads to become educated and prosperous. Jews are, of course, a great example, but there are millions of examples of people who managed to (for example) learn to read even though their parents were illiterate. Therefore, it can be done. The ones do not plan ahead, who do not act sensibly, who do not prepare for disasters (i.e., the ones who are dying in the desert) probably could have learned to plan ahead, even though they came from a society of knuckleheads. In other words, that they did not learn to plan ahead is not just a matter of luck, but at least partially their own fault.
The corrolary to that is that these people are, luck aside, exactly the kind you don't want in the country.
Well, that's my analysis for now. I am typing as fast as I can; gotta go to work in a few minutes. Feel free (as I'm sure you will) to pick my argument apart.
I thought that was the official reason for ratifying NAFTA.
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