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Feeding tube removed from comatose woman at center of long-running legal battle
Associated Press ^ | 10-15-03

Posted on 10/15/2003 12:18:18 PM PDT by Brian S

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:25 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]


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To: MarMema
Tremendous posts. Thank you very much.
801 posted on 10/15/2003 10:08:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Agreed.

802 posted on 10/15/2003 10:09:14 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
No actually food and water are now considered medical care by the courts, thanks to the US Supreme Court back about ten years.
803 posted on 10/15/2003 10:09:23 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
The point I was trying to make to you last night was, this is already being done with in utero children! There is no death certificate required before the tissue harvesters dissect the aborted children. One organ harvester quit because he was handed an alive baby for dissection ... the fresher the organs and tissues the better, to the ghouls in research and development of the 'future medical miracles'.
804 posted on 10/15/2003 10:09:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: sinkspur
Should he overturn any judicial decision he disagrees with?

To what did Bush swear an oath? Did he swear an oath to obey the edicts of Judge Greer's Court? Or to something else?

Generally, judges should be presumed to know and follow the constitutions they're bound by. But if a judge were to order that Michael Moore should be shot because he's a jerk, should anyone follow such an order?

806 posted on 10/15/2003 10:10:47 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: supercat
"Their only hope for staying out of prison is killing Terri."

Thanks, supercat.
Wow! I can see I stepped off in a gar hole!
I'm backpedalling furiously.......

807 posted on 10/15/2003 10:13:52 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Cultural Jihad
This is a reply back many years to letters written about a task force summary on PVS which was published in the NEJM.

The authors reply:
To the Editor: The mission of the task force was to collect and summarize medical and neurologic facts about the vegetative state, which, in turn, could serve as a basis for future deliberations on the ethical, legal, social, economic, and personal-values considerations. We tried diligently to refrain from making any implicit or explicit value statements in the document. The task force's report essentially agrees with the suspicions of Dr. Haig and Dr. Whyte about the effects of aggressive as compared with limited treatment on the life expectancies of patients in a vegetative state. However, as our report notes, there are no formal studies to assess accurately the impact of these decisions on life expectancy. Perhaps future studies will shed more light on this issue.

More important than life expectancy is the point at which irreversibility (permanency) can be established with a high degree of certainty. After considerable deliberation, the members of the task force concluded that it was necessary to distinguish clearly the permanent vegetative state (in which the chances of recovering consciousness are extremely remote, or as Dr. Zasler and his colleagues say, "rare") from the persistent vegetative state (arbitrarily designated as a vegetative state present one month after the initial traumatic or hypoxic-ischemic event), in which studies demonstrate that full recovery of consciousness and other neurologic functions can occur. We hope that this document will encourage the reporting of more data, either individual case reports or systematic studies of large numbers of patients, that will support or refute the predictive probabilities contained in the report.

The strong consensus among professional specialty societies, health care professionals, case law (including the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in the Cruzan case),1 and statutory laws supports the view that the withdrawal of artificial nutrition and hydration from certain patients with severe brain damage is not "killing" them, as Dr. McQuillen asserts, but rather letting them die by removing a medical treatment. The public and its elected representatives can draw their own conclusions about whether it is appropriate to spend $1 billion to $7 billion yearly for patients in a vegetative state.

The correlation of the vegetative state and unconsciousness rested on the medical view that the cerebral cortex is the primary locus of "conscious awareness." We realize that a minority of neurologic specialists remain unconvinced of this, and an even smaller minority continue to maintain that patients in a vegetative state can experience pain or suffering. Members of the task force were aware of occasional cases of the vegetative state arising from predominantly thalamic damage. Our report notes that relatively selective thalamic necrosis may follow acute global ischemia. The autopsy findings on Karen Ann Quinlan do not refute the basic assumption of the primary locus of consciousness.

Stephen Ashwal, M.D.
Loma Linda University School of Medicine
Loma Linda, CA 92354

Ronald Cranford, M.D.
Hennepin County Medical Center
Minneapolis, MN 55415-1829
for the Multi-Society Task Force on PVS

808 posted on 10/15/2003 10:14:40 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: MarMema
But the judge has already ordered her execution. What merit is there in prolonging her suffering since it's a foregone conclusion that she is going to die?

The issue is how she dies.

Let's see if the judge pulls a Ponius Pilate. Let's call his bluff.

809 posted on 10/15/2003 10:16:22 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: Cultural Jihad
And here you see one more important shift they are making, that of irreversibility as the criteria.
810 posted on 10/15/2003 10:16:43 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: bonfire
OMG. You may have hit the nail on the head.

Another thing: I don't think someone could survive 13 years of the torture Terri's endured without a very strong will to live. That Terri has survived despite the efforts to kill her before contradicts the claims she "wants to die".

811 posted on 10/15/2003 10:16:58 PM PDT by supercat (Why is it that the more "gun safety" laws are passed, the less safe my guns seem?)
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To: MHGinTN
All ghouls.
812 posted on 10/15/2003 10:17:29 PM PDT by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: TexasCowboy
I can see I stepped off in a gar hole!

(Nasty things, gar. They scare off all the shad (baitfish) and crappie).

814 posted on 10/15/2003 10:19:31 PM PDT by strela ("We are the RNC. Resistance is futile. We will blend your political distinctiveness into our own.")
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To: MarMema
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Euthanasia – Disthanasia – Benemortasia (CCC 2276-2279)

Consider the following case studies:

1.  An elderly lady, Doris, has been on kidney dialysis for ten years. Her health is failing generally. Some months ago she had to be hospitalised.  She is tired and worn out. She wonders about asking to discontinue the dialysis. She has made her peace with God and feels ready to die, but she is worried whether discontinuing dialysis treatment would be equivalent to committing suicide. What advice can you give her?

2.  A baby, Jennifer, is born with Down's Syndrome and intestinal blockage (duodenal atresia). A simple operation will allow her to survive. Otherwise she will die if nature is left to take its course. Is the doctor right to refuse surgery? A recent editorial in the British Medical Journal urges upon paediatricians the desirability of sedating the baby in such a case. What would be the moral course of action?

3.  John is dying of lung cancer. He is in intense pain. He says he is a Catholic, but he does not want to see the priest – God's never done anything for him, he says, why should he bother now? He is given narcotics to control the pain level. Should he be given such drugs even when they may slightly shorten his lifespan? Should he be given painkillers to the level of rendering him unconscious and painfree? Should he be quickly put out of his misery?

4.  Bertha is 90 years old, living in a geriatric hospital. She can no longer take food by mouth. She suffers severe senile dementia. She is being fed by an intravenous drip and a naso-gastric tube. She is also suffering from gangrene, diabetes, arteriosclerotic heart disease and urinary tract infection. She is confined to bed, but not diagnosed as terminally ill. She keeps pulling out the feeding tubes because they annoy her. What should the nurses do? 

Now I want to define the three main terms in this discussion and to apply them to these four practical cases: 

EUTHANASIA – “An act or omission which of itself or by intention causes death, in order that all suffering may in this way be eliminated.” (JB) It is often called 'mercy-killing'. Groups like EXIT campaign to legalise voluntary euthanasia. Some of their supporters have stated publicly, that once public opinion has accepted voluntary euthanasia, 'it should be possible to move on further'.

      The euthanasiast might advocate that Doris (case 1) could be treated by passive euthanasia (ceasing dialysis), perhaps combined with more active measures (a lethal dose of diamorphine). Baby Jennifer (case 2) is a candidate for 'passive euthanasia' – the omission of a life-saving operation – She will not last long when sedated to avoid distress and deprived of nutrition, as per the instructions of the BMJ editor. In cases 3 and 4, John and Bertha, with their relatives' agreement, “should be helped to die with dignity” to avoid any further 'useless' suffering.

   These main postulates of the euthanasiast position are taken from the writings of Kohl and Fletcher:

 

DISTHANASIA is the medical prolongation of life at all costs. It is based on the idea that life is all that we have, so every possible means should be preserved to maintain it. The treatment of Josip Broz Tito, ruler of Yugoslavia, was a textbook case of disthanasia. He was kept artificially alive for about eight months while the Party chiefs, afraid to let him die, jostled for power in the succession stakes.

      The disthanasiast would insist that Doris (1) must continue her dialysis, Jennifer (2) is operated on, John (3) is only allowed low and ineffective doses of pain-killer which will not shorten his lifespan, and the nurses must make every effort to keep Bertha (4) alive. 

BENEMORTASIA – a term from the Latin, meaning 'good death', bona mors, coined by the theologian Dyck. An alternative is ORTHOTHANASIA (a correct death). This aims to avoid the unnecessary and fruitless prolongation of the dying process. Yet it respects the sanctity of life: 'Thou shalt not kill'. In line with Judaeo-Christian tradition, it maintains that it is absolutely forbidden to kill directly an innocent human being. This is the ethically correct via media.

      It would advocate: (1) Doris is not obliged to continue extraordinary means of treatment (dialysis), if this seems right with her own conscience, between her and God. (2) Jennifer must not be refused an ordinary routine operation. We must not discriminate against the handicapped, effectively condemning them to death because of the way we perceive their 'quality of life'.

      (3) John is given a pain-killer and cared for whilst dying. It is important to preserve his consciousness as long as possible in the hope of spiritual healing and reconciliation. Treatments with narcotics is allowable, to reduce unbearable pain, whether they slightly shorten or lengthen his lifespan. (4) is difficult. The nurses should just do the best they can. Artificial nutrition and hydration should not be withdrawn unless they become impossible, because they are a part of basic medical care. While one may pray for the Lord to take someone quickly, we are not permitted to hasten deliberately anyone's death in any way. It would seem acceptable not to try and resuscitate if she were to have a heart attack, for instance.

      The B.M.A. in June 1999, judged artificial hydration and nutrition as medical treatment, which could therefore be withdrawn for stroke victims and others with little chance of recovery. This decision may open the way to a starvation death for many seriously ill patients.

      In this debate there are three human values involved: a) prolonging life; b) lessening suffering; c) preserving freedom and consciousness. We need to maintain the correct balance. The euthanasiast regards (b) as all-important. The disthanasiast wants (a) at all costs. We need an ethic which provides the right balance between all three, whilst observing fundamental moral laws. The benemortasia ethic tries to balance these three values, and respects the sanctity of life.

      Classical Catholic moral theology has long taught that we must use ordinary means to sustain life, but we are not obliged to use extraordinary means.

      There has been much discussion as to what constitutes ordinary treatment, and what is extraordinary, a discussion complicated by further advances in medical technology. By extraordinary means one intends heart-lung machines, complex and difficult operations, etc. Ordinary means include basic antibiotics, simple operations, etc. The problem is that what is ordinary and what is extraordinary changes with time and place. A blood transfusion in the 1930's was extraordinary, but ordinary procedure by the 1960's. Haemodialysis was extraordinary in the 1960's, but might be considered normal today. Moreover, one cannot draw up a watertight list of ordinary/extraordinary treatments. They must be considered relative to a patient's overall condition: an elderly person, after a number of operations, may just not wish to face yet another surgical intervention.

      There is an old saying which states broadly what we are advocating, so long as it is not interpreted in a cynical manner: 'Thou shalt not kill, but need not strive, officiously to keep alive'. Here read 'officiously' in the sense of 'by extraordinary means.' 

Pause for thought:

      Traditionally a sharp distinctlon is drawn between 'causing death' and 'allowing to die'. Some ethicists would deny the distlnctlon, and they would pose problems such as this: there are two terminally ill comatose patients. One is on a respirator. If the machine were turned off he would die within 20 minutes. The other is not on a respirator, but is expected to die within about a week. But if he is given a lethal injection, he will die in 20 minutes, the same as the first. If the first case is allowable (turning off the respirator), why not the second? What do you think? – think about it before going on.

      The answer is that in the first case, one is allowing someone to die. In the second case, one is performing a direct killing. As Christians we must hold to the truth that 'the disposal of life is the prerogative of the God who gives life' 

      There have recently been discussions over the withdrawal of food and water to hasten death. Food and water would qualify as ordinary means, or better, as basic human care: food, shelter, warmth, clothing. No-one can survive without these. Basic care and sustenance should always be given if at all possible. If it becomes physically impossible to feed a patient, even by nasal or intravenous drip, well, at least everything possible has been done for them. But deliberately starving the sick to death is not an acceptable moral option.

      The ethos of benemortasia maintains that life as such always retains some value, whatever form it takes. The dying or handicapped person is always worth caring for. Human life, even in extremis, geriatric and senile, is still worthy of respect and reverence. As we said before, to write off a life as not worth living is to usurp the place of God. Even in suffering and senility there can be a purpose. 

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815 posted on 10/15/2003 10:19:48 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: MarMema
This talk about those who are in a persistent vegetative state is interesting, and raises very hard dilemmas.

But it yet another case of the pro-death forces, or those who have been deceived by them, arguing the hard cases to take pressure off the fact that the vast majority of cases are quite clearcut.

This woman is not a vegetable, she is a human being.
816 posted on 10/15/2003 10:20:34 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Cultural Jihad
That's why we're all so damn mad, CJ! And the damn judge has ruled that Terri cannot even be allowed to try and take food and water by mouth! Terri has been abused for a decade via purposed, planned, calculated neglect to her rehabilitation, rehabilitation that had a $750,000 trust fund set up to pay for it! Greer secretly allowed Michael to raid Terri's trust fund in order to pay Greer's business associate, George Felos, in his work for Michael Schiavo to have Terri killed via dehydration.
817 posted on 10/15/2003 10:22:04 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Humidston
Let's see if the judge pulls a Ponius Pilate. Let's call his bluff.

At the moment I see the Judge as being more like the Sanhedrin.

Governor Bush is looking like Pilate to me. If you read his statement, he has washed his hands of the whole thing.

818 posted on 10/15/2003 10:23:53 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Cultural Jihad; MarMema
>> Traditionally a sharp distinctlon is drawn between 'causing death' and 'allowing to die'. Some ethicists would deny the distlnctlon<<

This is precisely why my husband says to spotlight the point that this is indeed an execution.

819 posted on 10/15/2003 10:26:57 PM PDT by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: EternalVigilance; Humidston
I have to believe something good will come of this. maybe this IS God's plan for Terri..and for us. Maybe this was His wake-up call and he is using Terri to show us the way?

Just a thought. Night all.
820 posted on 10/15/2003 10:27:24 PM PDT by bonfire
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