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Tarantino clears it up -- 'Kill Bill' is great for kids
san Francisco Chronicle/SF Gate ^ | Wednesday, October 15, 2003 | Mick LaSalle, Chronicle Movie Critic

Posted on 10/15/2003 11:54:28 AM PDT by weegee

Edited on 04/13/2004 2:44:25 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Quentin Tarantino said something at the London premiere of his new film, something extraordinary. He encouraged kids to see "Kill Bill -- Volume 1," a film that, depending on your opinion, is either a sickening bloodbath, a delightful bloodbath, a boring bloodbath or a comic bloodbath, but definitely, indisputably, a bloodbath.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; US: California
KEYWORDS: culturewar; doublestandard; hypocrisy; itsonlyamovie; killbill; killbillv1; mediabias; pc; politicallycorrect; quentintarantino; quentintarentino; violence; whineyliberal
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This is more of an editorial than a film review (and it was noted on the site as commentary). I do not know what this critic's perception of the film was.

Kill Bill is not a movie for kids. It surprise me and even Harry Knowles that this got an R rating (I'm of the mind that Disney "needed" an R so Disney "got" an R). Even this critic thinks that Tarantino may just be playing the bad boy when he says that kids should go see it. Takashi Miike said the same thing in Japan about his recent film Ichi The Killer (even though it was rated so as to prohibit kids).

That said, many critics (some of whom praised the film and some of whom didn't like the film) did not understand this film.

The critic could have just given the drive in totals: 50(?) dead bodies, 0 breast, no beasts (except for the child molesting yakuza boss). Arms roll, heads roll, kung fu, door fu, hatchet fu, mace fu,...

The "girl power" is that rape and revenge films are "empowering". A horrible assault is committed but rather than remain a victim, the girl/woman gets revenge on her attackers. This is true for both rape victims in the film (even the "animated" one).

Odd to see a liberal (all of the staff writings I've encountered at the SF Gate have been libs, I see know reason to suspect otherwise) attacking a film that contains almost no gun violence. Tarantino has no time for the critics who like violence dumbed down and muted down. Action films "promise" action but it too many films, the "hero" is not permitted to kill the villian (the villian nowdays has to die by an accident or his own hand). Even John Woo was castrated to respect Hollywood's moral code (see the end of Face Off where the villain falls on a speargun; the hero can't deliver the death blow).

Is the violence in Kill Bill "wrong" because we don't get enough shots of the criminals selling dope to school children and victimizing poor families to "deserve" their bloody ends? Think I'm making that up? Notice how the cop who gets his brains eaten in Hannibal is portrayed as a horrible racist/sexist (and probably homophobe); he "deserves" being eaten alive.

The use of the word misogynistic is one thing that leads me to believe that this critic is a lib. I have news for him. This is only a movie, only a movie, only a movie. The bride's rapes are not shown on screen and the animated statutory rape of the other girl ends with the death of her attacker. Is it prurient to have rape in this film at all? Nothing graphic is shown. Is the the rape in Thelma and Louise prurient? Is that film "misogynistic" or is it "empowering"?

I would not advise anyone to see Kill Bill if they think that it is not the kind of film that they would like to see. It is being given a wide release even though it is really a film for a niche audience. Too many critics (and even audience members) are responding to just the visceral elements of this film. That is their loss/mistake, not mine.

1 posted on 10/15/2003 11:54:29 AM PDT by weegee
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2 posted on 10/15/2003 11:55:11 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: weegee
Let me see if I'm too obtuse to get it:

Life of Christ as a movie is hateful.
Kill Bill is great family entertainment.

3 posted on 10/15/2003 11:56:57 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: weegee
Didn't the Pythons do a Tarantino version of a backyard tennis match? The description of Kill Bill sounds so familiar.
4 posted on 10/15/2003 11:59:33 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Support Free Republic
tarentino seems to display the same passion for grossness as another person ive heard of, Jeffery Dahmer. Only tarentino wentot hollywood where he is embraced , dahmer just made it to milwaukee
5 posted on 10/15/2003 12:08:47 PM PDT by robjna
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To: weegee
One movie critic said anyone over 18 would think this movie to be garbage. I guess it is for kids.
6 posted on 10/15/2003 12:09:16 PM PDT by graycamel
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To: Semper Paratus
Life of Christ as a movie is hateful.
Kill Bill is great family entertainment.

Take your kids to see both! Then ask them who they would rather believe in. I think Uma wins hands down.

7 posted on 10/15/2003 12:14:24 PM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: Semper Paratus
What's more, some have said that Mel Gibson's film would get a R rating or harder.

I have not been following the discussions of The Passion heavily (many are by people who have not seen the film or that cite that the film will stir up antisemitism). I know that the studios have been reluctant to distribute this film.

I know the backlash that Mel Gibson has gotten over his film (and the personal attacks). I think that some of the controversy (albeit not the overwhelming circumstance) is that he is screening the movie now with subtitles but will release it without subtitles (the cast speaks Aramaic) to the public.

It will be an interesting way to see the film (and I already watch some foreign language films without subtitles and only a basic understanding of the plot) but the full understanding may only come through after several viewings.

There is an asian director who make action films and he tries to develop his characters through scenes without any dialogue. He knows that his films are seen in a number of countries and believes that the viewer can miss significant details by looking primarly at the bottom of the screen to see the next line of dialogue. Sometimes reading the dialogue can also give a line "reading" before something has happened onscreen killing the timing.

I think that there are a number of film afficiandos who like (and understand) Kill Bill who are also looking forward to The Passion (even Harry Knowles has stated that he wants to see this film).

8 posted on 10/15/2003 12:15:27 PM PDT by weegee
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To: xm177e2
That's why kids have parents.
9 posted on 10/15/2003 12:16:01 PM PDT by watchin (Muslim: someone who reserves the right to defend himself against someone who hits back.)
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To: js1138
Yes. Monty Python did this type of blood letting time and time again.
10 posted on 10/15/2003 12:16:53 PM PDT by weegee
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To: watchin
Kids need parents more than they need a cool "buddy".
11 posted on 10/15/2003 12:17:27 PM PDT by weegee
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To: graycamel
I don't know what critic said anyone over 18 would think this movie was garbage, but I strongly agree with him. Biggest disappointment at the movies I've had all year.
12 posted on 10/15/2003 12:18:04 PM PDT by LanPB01
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To: js1138
"Salad Days" by Sam Peckinpah - one of my favorite Python bits!
13 posted on 10/15/2003 12:18:12 PM PDT by Guvmint_Cheese
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To: weegee
Tarantino always entertains, doubt if the movie is fit for kids, higly doubt it, haven't seen it yet, but everything I've read or heard about it says it isn't. Toungue in cheek is my guess as to his comments.

Reservoir Dogs is one of my favorite movies. I'll be seeing this soon.

14 posted on 10/15/2003 12:20:23 PM PDT by Stopislamnow (It will be too late when we're all dead. And the way our government is going, it'll be soon.)
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To: robjna
I've come across several people who have seen this film as a slap in the face at Oliver Stone's treatment of Natural Born Killers. Both films have a lot of violence. Both intermingle different film technique (including animation). This film did not bother me the way I hated NBK.

Tarantino distanced himself from NBK and this film is a superior work (definitely in the execution of the work).
15 posted on 10/15/2003 12:20:27 PM PDT by weegee
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To: js1138
Didn't the Pythons do a Tarantino version of a backyard tennis match? The description of Kill Bill sounds so familiar.

That was Sam Peckinpah's version of Salad Days.

http://www.geocities.com/pythoninsanity/Season3Episode7.html

Julian: I say, Lionel, catch. (He throws the tennis ball to Lionel. It hits Lionel on the head. Lionel claps one hand to his forehead. He roars in pain as blood seeps through his fingers.)

Lionel: Oh gosh. (He tosses his racket out of frame and we hear a hideous scream. The camera pans to pick up a pretty girl in summer frock with the handle of the racket embedded in her stomach. Blood is pouring out down her dress.) (He tosses his racket out of frame and we hear a hideous scream. The camera pans to pick up a pretty girl in summer frock with the handle of the racket embedded in her stomach. Blood is pouring out down her dress.)

...

And from there it gets really bloody. If they did the sketch today, they would have used Tarantino instead of Peckinpah.

16 posted on 10/15/2003 12:23:12 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Pining for the fjords.)
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To: weegee
found it here (wrong director)

My top top favourite is their rendition of what a Sam Peckinpah production of Salad Days might look like. After suggesting a tennis match ("I say, care for a spot of tennis anyone?"), a party guest gets a tennis ball smacked in his eye, which of course means oodles of blood pouring out in slow motion against the idyllic backdrop of a clear summer's day. Soon a piano cover falls on someone's hands and the poor chap is reduced to having two stumps spurting blood like a fountain of punch. You get the picture. Peckinpah must have loved this!

17 posted on 10/15/2003 12:25:08 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Stopislamnow
"I'll be seeing this soon. "

Hurry up, its a great movie.

/ducks the flames.
18 posted on 10/15/2003 12:25:10 PM PDT by toothless
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To: LanPB01
I'm only 13, and judging by the commercials alone, I think the movie stinks.
19 posted on 10/15/2003 12:25:54 PM PDT by 4mycountry (Here's to Bush '04, Mr. Limbaugh, the outlawing of speedos and the banning of kiddie animes! *glug*)
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To: LanPB01
It may have been your biggest "disappointment" but I would have to say that the absolute worst movie of the year was "Masked And Anonymous". It wasn't even enjoyable as a cinema attrocity.

I won't try to win you (or others) over to like this film. I plainly state that it's not for everyone. I don't even qualify that as "you'll either love it or you'll hate it".

20 posted on 10/15/2003 12:26:45 PM PDT by weegee
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