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To: narses
You obviously don't understand statistics.
Condoms greatly reduce the rate of AIDS transmissions.
You would rather people die while you look on feeling morally superior and saying it is their fault for not abstaining from sex.
If abstaining from sex is so easy, why can't Catholic priests do it?
I would rather people use condoms and live. If that makes them and me "sinners" in your eyes, then so be it.
I think my position is much more morally defensible than yours.
40 posted on 10/14/2003 8:45:41 PM PDT by WackyKat
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To: WackyKat
People are going to lie, cheat, steal and murder also. Does that mean the Church has to tell them of safer ways to accomplish the above?
41 posted on 10/14/2003 8:47:26 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: WackyKat
You claim: "Condoms greatly reduce the rate of AIDS transmissions." Explain these FACTS:

Botswana and Zimbabwe are ranked among the top countries world-wide for HIV prevalence. Yet both countries are condom-friendly and make condoms readily available. In 1991, Uganda also had an HIV infection rate of more than 20%. By 2001, however, the rate was only 6%.

A 2002 Harvard study conducted by anthropologist Edward C. Green and Vinand Nantulya, an infectious-disease specialist, revealed the cause of the discrepancies between Uganda's HIV infection rate and those of other heavily infected countries. Uganda had begun a program focusing on abstinence and fidelity instead of condoms. While the rate of HIV infection in every other country continued to escalate, Uganda's fell dramatically. (Lest there be any concern over the researchers' religious zeal, Mr. Green describes himself as a "flaming liberal" who does not attend church.)"

43 posted on 10/14/2003 8:50:57 PM PDT by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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To: WackyKat
"You obviously don't understand statistics. Condoms greatly reduce the rate of AIDS transmissions."

...Except in Africa.

54 posted on 10/14/2003 9:08:22 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: WackyKat
I think my position is much more morally defensible than yours.

Well,in a world where everything is relative what does it matter? I believe in absolutes and I think in the big picture my position is morally superior to yours.

You will find,in your world of relative truths,there may come a time when you,or your children, will have no freedom,because a group more powerful will take command and establish new rights and wrongs goods and bads.

Today you are comfortable with the prevailing values because they work for you,tomorrow another group may decide that the world could be better if only healthy,bright,good looking people could have sex with others.You or your children may not meet those standards.They could decide that anyone without permission to have sex would be forced to have an abortion and if they managed to conceal the pregnancy than the child would be killed at birth or when discovered.And,the disobedient life giver and bearer might be thrown in jail.

In order for the world to work people need to look at the long term consequences of the causes they espouse and the choices they make.To endorse or espoouse relative values and truths is a precarious path to travel.

There can be no freedom absent truth,the Cardinal made a true statement about condoms not being effective in preventing AIDS,the Catholic Church states unequivocably that abstinence is the sure fire AIDS preventative. It is a sin and immoral to twist or suppress those facts.

66 posted on 10/14/2003 10:33:16 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: WackyKat; ninenot; narses; Unam Sanctam
Is your morality grounded in some objective code of morality or just what makes you feel warm and fuzzy?

Do you also believe that more spending improves public "education"? Or in the tooth fairy or the Easter Bunny or in Margaret Sanger?

As to your second last sentence, be sure to tell that to God when the time comes.

81 posted on 10/15/2003 4:07:22 AM PDT by BlackElk (Don't Western condom-pushers really intend to prevent African babies from being born?)
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