16-year-old sentenced to 20 years in prison [addicted to OxyContin]

news-press.com ^ | 10-14-03 | news-press.com

[ambrose]

Richard Lee Daniel was 15 when he went on a crime spree that started with seven stolen vehicles and ended in the brutal beating and robbery of a 73-year-old woman.

The North Fort Myers boy is 16 now and began paying the price of his actions Monday when he was sentenced to 20 years in prison.

[dennisw]

Ah yes, one big happy family gathered around the communal marijuana pipe. These numbers were very small compared to the ranks of "night of the living dead" pot heads we have today

[bvw]

We will have more functioning adults (and we need them) if we remove the "training wheels". Freedom!

[bvw]

Those, btw, are the roots of the drug laws. Racism, Fear, crowd-rousing, hate-filled, fear-mongering evangelism. Big overlap to those who posted "No Jews, Niggers, or Irish Allowed" signs on their establishments.

[dennisw]

Those, btw, are the roots of the drug laws. Racism, Fear, crowd-rousing, hate-filled, fear-mongering evangelism. Big overlap to those who posted "No Jews, Niggers, or Irish Allowed" signs on their establishments.

Yup and white people were brainwashed and oppressed for years by cultural attitudes and laws that said pot and hard drugs are a negative. Let's salute the libertarians for hypothesizing a Brave New World where all kinds of poisonous drugs are available.

[CSM]

"Cocaine is a seductress. Don't believe that crap about minimal non-addictive doses."

I hope you are being sarcastic, if not then the ARMY doctor that used the non addictive dose when treating me must have been wrong. I just remember the horrific taste of the crap as it drained down the back of my throat. I never had a desire for it after that specific treatment.

[Moby Grape]

I will tone down a bit the verbal volley and say that you are correct that the name calling is to be laid at the feet of both sides...I, in my few exchanges, have not accussed the anti-WOD crowd of being "druggies", etc. My name-calling assertion was actually meant to point to the labeling (neo-this, and neo-that, etc).


After years of long winded posts, disertations, essays, and the like, the anti-WOD crowd had not made any significant headway. Many at FR find them to be arrogant and almost cult-like in their constant, unrelenting absorbtion with one subject. They never miss an opportunity to turn any subject into an anti-WOD rant. They have posted for YEARS thousands of words in essays, etc, yet when folks like me disagree, there is the usual labeling and arrogant dismissive attitude....those who disagree either, are "Bushies" with blind GOP loyalties, or unenlightened hand-in-the-sand types who just haven't read the Constitution and do not understand the danger posed to freedoms by a police search for drugs.

There is often the belief among the anti-WOD folks that they just haven't gotten their message out, and if they had, everyone would agree (thus the endless posts of long winded essays). It is the same mindset of the liberals...."We are right..we just didn't get our message out." (Evidence of just this is to be seen in POST # 98 to me from BVW)

Your message is out...you will just have to accept that people who HAVE read the Constituion, the writtings of the Founders, and have read the long winded disertations of the anti-WOD soldiers just disagree. We do not believe we live in a police state. We support the police in their efforts to stop the death, destruction, crime and heartbreak caused by drugs. We oppose the legalization of drugs. Period.

We also tire of the endless preaching of the anti-WOD folk...that is why when the anti-WOD warriors crank up the rants on the "Prayer for Rush" type threads, there are the calls for you guys to just "give it a rest". We have heard it...again...and again....and again....and again.

Just pray for Rush, and give it a rest.

[bvw]

The more apt book is Huxley's "The Island". And I'm not for completely freeing problem drugs -- just against complete bans, and complete federal control.

[Moby Grape]

***see post # 106.

[bvw]

Morphine addicts had plenty of ARMY doctors to thank. But truly, I don't know your particulars. Just warning against the saw that reappears again and again that there's some minimal dose of cocaine that even if used regularly is not addictive.

[FITZ]

crime spree that started with seven stolen vehicles and ended in the brutal beating and robbery of a 73-year-old woman.

Only 20 years? He should never be released from prison.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Just pray for Rush, and give it a rest.

Here's an idea: stay off threads you don't find rewarding, and leave the rest of us to decide when we need to "give it a rest."

[Gianni]

those who disagree either, are "Bushies" with blind GOP loyalties, or unenlightened hand-in-the-sand types who just haven't read the Constitution and do not understand the danger posed to freedoms by a police search for drugs.

Broad brushing occurs on both sides, and it's always unfortunate.

There is often the belief among the anti-WOD folks that they just haven't gotten their message out, and if they had, everyone would agree

I think there are multiple messages that anti's are trying to get out. One by the hard-cores who believe that the government has no authority to regulate personal drug use - that fourth amendment protections extend to their own bodies (oh the humanity!). Others (like me) believe that we abrogate certain rights through a vehicle like the Constitution and that whether or not we agree with the WOD, we should all agree that it requires proper authority (i.e. a clear delegation of that power in some governing document).

people who HAVE read the Constituion, the writtings of the Founders, and have read the long winded disertations of the anti-WOD soldiers just disagree. We do not believe we live in a police state. We support the police in their efforts to stop the death, destruction, crime and heartbreak caused by drugs.

The Founders concerned themselves with protection of their newfound freedom. I can't remember any rhetoric in any of the mentioned documents relating to protecting people from death, destruction, crime, and heartbreak associated with actions of their own doing. Obviously they would have been preoccupied with insuring that they formed a government free form the excesses of the English monarchy, which may be one reason. In any event, I don't think it's too much to ask that people who seek power first seek proper authority.

[mass55th]

"You are on the wrong side of liberty on this one and laws will be overturned."

The wrong side of liberty? Pardon me, but I think you'll find yourself in the minority when it comes to being anti-drug laws. And as far as the laws being overturned...it sure as hell won't happen in my lifetime, perhaps not even yours.

[jmc813]

"I'm in favor of ending the war on drugs at the federal level." - Jim Robinson, 05/03/2003

"if we didn't arrest so many drug users, maybe the prisons wouldn't be so full" - Jim Robinson, 8/27/2003

[Porterville]

Richard Lee Daniel was 15 when he went on a crime spree that started with seven stolen vehicles and ended in the brutal beating and robbery of a 73-year-old woman.

[CSM]

"I'm not for completely freeing problem drugs -- just against complete bans, and complete federal control."

Then your next post:

"Morphine addicts had plenty of ARMY doctors to thank. But truly, I don't know your particulars. Just warning against the saw that reappears again and again that there's some minimal dose of cocaine that even if used regularly is not addictive."

I can't imagine any more federal control than use of a drug by an Army Doctor. Make up your mind.

[bvw]

An Army doctor giving a drug in treatment is in no way "complete federal control".

[CSM]

Then explain your definition of "complete government control". It sounds to me that the only way it could happen is with total bans. Leaving us where we are right now.

A liscensed physician with the only interest being to ensure that a soldier can still perform his duties, ya know defending the nation against its enemies. Yep, that doc must have been outta his gord using such an addictive and evil substance.

[bvw]

Look, army doctors did introduce many men to their lifetime addictions. Not so much a fault of the docs as the Army way. works.

[bvw]

"as the way the army works"