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To: Torie; clamper1797
"THAT will cause the War, not Dem/Rep ideals"

Well... it seems kinda similar to me. I definetly agree they will be big issues in the war - but they'll be a subgroup of the overall ideas/conflicts.

Dems today support open borders and multilateralism. Republicans support tighter border controls (at least of illegals) and national sovereignty. Both of these are new arguments - The Dems are now supporting policies that I don't think have ever been endorsed by a party in all of U.S. history

Both sides seem rather split on the issue of free trade vs. globalist trade... with most people not sure -how- to deal with the pros and cons. But unlike the two just listed, this debate is REALLY old. What we're really talking about is the return to the debate over protectionism and tariffs, and this is what I call the "Forgotten Argument" in American politics. It used to be huge. There's plenty of history to draw on this one.

Me? I think the problem is - as usual - taxes! If we didn't have taxes -here-, then we wouldn't have to worry about the fact that offshore companies get tax breaks giving them an economic advantage, causing companies to flee the country just as they are fleeing California's higher taxes to neighboring states. Want business to stay in the U.S.? Get rid of or privatize all our happy little socialist experiments, return to the olden days of revenue for the limited federal government functions, and then repeal the 16th Amendment (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm fairly certain that's the amendment that permitted direct taxation) that was never properly ratified in the first place. Sit back and watch businesses in other countries beg to set their businesses up -here-.

Although you see many leftists opposing the WTO and being "anti-globalist", I think it's more of a bizarre juxtaposition of goals vs. means between the Left and Right. The Lefties think the WTO is run by the U.S. - whereas I, as a right-winger, oppose the WTO because I have a severe problem with a bunch of guys in Brussels setting U.S. trade policy - that little sovereignty issue. Given the Left's insistence on multilateralism and rooting for global government, I have to blink every time someone calls -them- "anti-globalists". I still haven't figured this one out.

Torie: I am separated from reality? Nah. The war won't happen unless the Left just goes completely off the rails and actively begins repressing conservative media spokesmen and applying religious tests to government positions and agitating about voter fraud at every single election and starts endlessly chanting memes like "imperialist warmonger" and "Nazi! Hitler!" about a conservative president...

Oh. Wait. They have, haven't they?

Hmm. I wonder what "unifying culture" around the world you're talking about. Would that be... Hollywood culture? Ah, yes, Hollywood, that awesome unifying cultural force that we can all rally around. *sigh*

Qwinn
32 posted on 10/13/2003 11:07:31 PM PDT by Qwinn
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To: Qwinn
Dems today support open borders and multilateralism. Republicans support tighter border controls (at least of illegals) and national sovereignty.

Tho slightly better on sovereignty, the Republicans are equally pushing open borders and all forms of immigration. The Dems have their own reasons, but the Republicans want to please their business donors. They are equally complicite in the sell out of our citizenry. Both groups support the H1B and L class visas. Both groups ignore the fact that 730,000 American workers are displaced every year by illegal aliens. Both groups have no problem expecting the taxpayer to subsidize their cheap labor. It's nearing crisis proportions.

Thank God for those who are active in opposing their actions. The only thing holding them in any sort of check is our anger and activism.

Now that it's election time, the pols are flapping lips...but actions speak louder than words and people will be watching. I for one will not vote for anyone supporting the business as usual position.
33 posted on 10/13/2003 11:19:58 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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