Gephardt, Kucinich Lead Fight Against Assault Weapons

Join Together, CSGV ^ | 10-10-03 | Blaine Rummell

[SwinneySwitch]

grandpa's old .30-.06 rifle has more energy at 500 yards than the latest souped-up AR-15 does at the muzzle.

Except for that old part, we like it that way, along with our 1911 .45s and 12 gauge pumps!

[Shooter 2.5]

I'm shocked Mary Landrieu is for the Bill. We worked so hard to get her out of the Senate.

Thanks for the ping.

[sargon]

What absurd innuendo and propaganda this article contains.

The DC sniper attacks had nothing to do with "assault weapons", or even semi-auto rifles, for that matter.

Those sniper attacks were one-shot kill attempts.

A standard everyday deer rifle could have been employed with even greater effect: more accuracy and more killing power.

So, the whole semi-auto and "assault weapons" (which are actually full-auto) talk is just a bunch of socialist, anti-individual propaganda, especially in the context of the DC sniper shootings.

The fact that Kucinich and Gephardt would stoop to such craven authoritarian spin, proves exactly how dangerous their ilk really is, should they ever achieve legislative control of this government.

I wouldn't be surprised if gun-banners like them are secretly hoping for civil war to erupt eventually over the Second Amendment issue. These would-be tyrants (all well-meaning socialists, of course) think that they will then have the excuse of necessity (ever the cry of the Tyrant) in order to implement full disarmament of the populace, to "keep the peace," of course.

Such evolutionary Tyrannical processes can occur over a very short time span, if the right spinmeisters and ideologues take power. Beware.

[wku man]

"Let this stupid law die a natural death."

While I agree with your sentiment, I don't think it will be that easy. This will be a major issue in the campaigns for President and Congress, will probably show up as a question in the various debates, and will be used to smear Pubbies running for re-election. The 'Rats will trot out Klinton, victims of Columbines, Michael "Jabba" Moore", Rosie O'Strap-On, etc. The criminal, liberal mainstream media will demagogue the issue, and make anyone calling for the sunset of the AWB out to be right-win, paranoid, delusional militia nutcases.

IF the AWB dies, it will be because the ever-shrinking RKBA community kills it. Period. It won't go quietly, either...it will die a loud, kicking and screaming death, and could be resurrected easily, when and if another high profile shooting at a school or post office happens again. No...I'm not optimistic about this issue, or any other issue related to the RKBA.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[SwinneySwitch]

It's already against the law for gangsters and thugs to have guns of any kind! Common sense tells me another law banning certain types of firearms is not going to stop criminals from acquiring guns!

[Yo-Yo]

I know you didn't mean it, but you are implying what they did was rational. I'm sure we agree that what they think is rational is undermining the RKBA.

Heavens no, I don't think the AWB is in any way rational! All I was trying to say was that the gun grabbers didn't like semi-automatic rifles that look like assault rifles, but couldn't define anything about them that was any different functionally than the "less evil" hunting rifle.

Semi-auto operation? Nope, "legit" hunting rifles are in semi-auto as well. Caliber? Nope, there are sporting rifles in each of the popular calibers. Detachable Magazine? Nope, many sporting rifles have detachable magazines. So the only thing left were flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, etc. to distinguish the "hated" guns from the "barely tolerated - for now" guns.

How many people have been murdered by a flash supressor?

[El Gato]

But in a willful attempt to violate the spirit of the law, the gun industry continues to manufacture "post-ban" assault weapons - guns identical to those banned except for minor cosmetic changes. The Bushmaster XM15 used in last fall's sniper attacks, for example, is a "post-ban" version of the AR15 assault rifle, which is banned under current law

Make that a willful attempt to comply with the law as written. Spirit of the law? What about the spirit of the Second Amendment, Congressman Gaines?

[Dan from Michigan]

What about the spirit of the Second Amendment, Congressman Gaines

And Carl Schaumberg is right there with him....

[El Gato]

"Arms" are rifles. Cannons, grenades, and nuclear weapons are "ordinance".

I don't think the SALT( Strategic Arms Limitation Treaty/Talks) were about AK-47s and M-16s. Arms includes cannons, grenades and nukes. Considering the misbegotten 1922 Washington "CONFERENCE ON THE LIMITATION OF ARMAMENT", and the resulting treaty, it apparently includes battleships as well.

Cerainly in 1790 it included cannon armed privateers, otherwise the Constitution's delegation of power to Congress to grant letters of marque and reprisal wouldn't make a lot of sense.

[El Gato]

The sport requires the very rifles on your list.

And the proposed law has language to the effect that just because a gun is used in a sport, does not make it "particularly suitable for sporting purposes". Real doubletalk, that.

[El Gato]

All I was trying to say was that the gun grabbers didn't like semi-automatic rifles that look like assault rifles, but couldn't define anything about them that was any different functionally than the "less evil" hunting rifle.

That's why the proposed law reduces the number of bad features from two to one, along with a removable magazine. However it defines "pistol grip" in such a way as to include most any stock. So the law would effectively ban all semi-autos with removable magazines.

[Travis McGee]

Haven't you heard? All semi auto rifles are assault rifles. A Ruger 10/22 is an assault rifle.

[Major_Risktaker]

My favorite!

[edchambers]

Uzi's fire fast but having owned one years ago Uzi's suck lead. They are not that accurate even with the longer barrel.

I've only shot two of them one was your standard 9mm semi and the other was the mini in 380 they were both plenty accurate and reliable enough for me.The 380 was sweeet almost no recoil and light and tiny.I only own 22s these days cheap economical and accurate.My personal favorite is a Stevens model 60 with a polished bolt reciever and bore.I paid 15$ for it all rusted out and did the polish work myself.

[Destructor]

"They have no idea of the power of hunting rifles. "Assault weapons" by comparison are kind of puny. "

Oh, yes they do. Regardless of what the anti-gun folks say-- they'll come for our hunting rifles next!

[Destructor]

"AND limit yourself to technology that is PERPETUALLY, for the (short remaining?) life of the Republic, limited to 1986 obsolete technology."

In the late 1980's, rebels in the mountains of Ethiopia began a war to overthrow their (then Marxist) government using World War I rifles, and tribal spears. The rebellion ultimately succeeded much to the dismay of the Media here in America.

What it boils down to is simply how bad you want it!