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To: Age of Reason
Since the Articles of Confederation stated repeatedly that the Union was to be "perpetual" and the constitution was to "make a more perfect Union" logic requires that it be perpetual also since a less than perpetual Union was be less perfect than a perpetual one. I realize logic is not the Defenders of the Slaverocracy's long suit but there it is. The constitution is meaningless with a right of states to withdraw unilaterally.

However, Madison's remarks regarding another of the D.S.'s favorite arguments, a conditional ratification of the constitution with a right to withdraw, are most telling since he is considered the "father of the constitution." Check out his letter to Hamilton during the NY state ratification convention when Hamilton was about ready to buckle and allow the convention to ratify with the condition it could withdraw at will. Madison said that ratification was not revokable and joining the Union removed any "right" to secede. Argue with him.
216 posted on 10/15/2003 10:00:40 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit; laotzu
So let's do it one more time:

After the growing international economy all but dissolves nationhood, the United States, along with the rest of the world, signs a Global Article of Confederation saying that the New World Order is to be "perpetual," etc.

Then one day events in the New World Order threaten to abolish the death penalty among all nations.

So America says to heck with that, I'm outta here.

Then the New World Order says, "You can't leave!" and assembles a blue-helmeted army to invade America.

What then would you be fighting for: the death penalty or the opportunity to return to being a sovereign state?

220 posted on 10/15/2003 10:34:01 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: justshutupandtakeit; laotzu
ratification was not revokable and joining the Union removed any "right" to secede.

Well there you go: The War was about the right of the states to secede--and not about slavery.

For having slaves was legal, but secession was not.

221 posted on 10/15/2003 10:41:19 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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