The N.R.A. Is Naming Names

The New York Times ^ | 10-13-03 | BOB HERBERT

[dyed_in_the_wool]

If I substituted 'speech' for 'guns' in this article, would Bob Herbert still feel the same way?

[Rebelbase]

Three more supporters of gun control.

[OXENinFLA]

[ought-six]

"He's not anti-gun. He's pro police state."

That's exactly what he's for. But what can you expect from a liberal elitist? They are first and foremost for government and elitist control of the people. To such people, I have only one thing to say: Remember Paris, 1792.

[FourPeas]

Hmmm, I don't see Meijer listed there. Looks like I need to send a heads-up to NRA.

[teeman8r]

wasn't pam dawber, on the list, killed by a stalker...

she might have been shot, but then, if she had a gun of her own she might have taken out the punk...

to arrive at the 1,000,000 americans killed by gun violence from 1968 to 2001 include all the soldiers dying in armed conflicts and all criminals shot by police and every suicide and victim on television...

teeman

[ought-six]

"When the people fear the government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have freedom."

Actually, Thomas Jefferson said that, not Thomas Paine. But, no matter. The sentiment and the message is what counts.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Probably include all American soldiers killed in war.

And of course includes all cases where the American shot was committing a criminal act before he (or she) was permanently stopped.

[dyed_in_the_wool]

If 18 of the 19 hijackers had state issued driver's licenses, what would that imply for gun registration?

[from occupied ga]

You missed the point. What your picture shows is what liberals and neo-nazis like Schumer, Feinstein, Waxman etc. consider a good reason for civilians NOT to have any weapons. Armed citizens could effectively defy the lawful authorities.

Armed civilians could possible endanger police like these and impede them from carrying out their mission of imposing the will of the self proclaimed elite in the government on the rest of us. Bad thoughts on your part. Keep thinking government, government uber alles.

[FourPeas]

Vietnam.

[bitcon]

Interesting because it's printed in Saturdays Vancouver Sun as Thomas Paine.

[ought-six]

Has Sarah Brady ever been confronted with that statement? If she indeed did say it (and I have no real doubt she did), it should be constantly publicized.

[Freeper 007]

While it's probally an accurate figure, it will include suicides. The liberals refuse to discuss gun control unless they can include suicide figures since it almost doubles the number of "gun deaths" annually.

[ought-six]

I have it in one of my history (my major) books from college as having been said by Thomas Jefferson.

[from occupied ga]

That is 28,571 people per year. I don't believe that for a second.

That is probably a slight exaggeration, but not by much. However, this figure includes 18,000 - 25,000 suicides annually. If you look at places like Japan, where guns are just not available to the general populace, you'll find the per capita suicide figures are about the same or higher than in the US.

[joesnuffy]

“... I'm not anti-gun. I think soldiers, the police and certain other law enforcement officials should have guns. Civilians, however... ”

what about criminals...gang bangers, rapists, muggers, home invaders, burglars, ...how about them will they also be allowed to have guns....

No?...of course not....

Whew...that's a relief...disarming everyone except the police, the military and some para military or para police...what a great idea

Sounds like Argentina Germany The Soviet Union China N Korea Vietnam all have the right idea..

[ShandaLear]

And they all hate President Bush and despise the Patriot Act.

[Marauder]

The big question in my mind is: Which of these individuals and groups fully realize the consequences of registration and subsequent confiscation?

These I guess would be the people discussed in Ann Coulter's Treason.

The rest of them just go along with the hype. Very few surprises among the actors and directors. What is it about being able to sing and/or memorize lines and evoke fake emotion makes a person so politically naive?

[Leisler]

You know, I can never understand why Jews don't own guns yet buy German cars.

Beats me.