Posted on 02/18/2021 1:41:34 PM PST by TPIDerek
I disagree.
What is to stop them?
The GOP-e?
Not a chance.
It will most certainly happen unless Democrats lose the House or Senate in 2022.
I will move out of the country and take my money with me before I ever pay a single dollar of "reparations" extortion to blacks who were never slaves.
White slavery is already legal. 50% of my income goes to politicians to buy votes.
nonsense- they were slaves every bit as much as black folks were-
[[but it was a far cry from conditions of African slaves.]]
sorry- that is not what history said about it- We’ve had this discussion before- and you tried bac k then to soft peddle what went on then too- These people were NOT allowed to leave like indentured servants would have been, and hey were treated so horribly because they were cheap to BUY overseas- much cheaper than black folks were to buy- and many lost their lives because owners would beat them to death-
If you were the one months ago who i spoke with on this issue- i gave you links back then too- but if not- here- this is just a very small sampling of what white slaves had to endure- in no way shape or form were they simply indentured servants who were treated well-
http://www.heretical.com/slavery/hoffman2.html
“From 1609 until the early 1800s, between one-half and two thirds of all the White colonists who came to the New World came as slaves. Of the passengers on the Mayflower, twelve were White slaves (John Van der Zee, Bound Over, p. 93). White slaves cleared the forests, drained the swamps, built the roads. They worked and died in greater numbers than anyone else.”
Give the site a read- it’s an eye opener=
Here’s another proof that no- they weren’t ‘indentured servants who could leave when their debts were paid” as so many on the left try to portray the slavery as- because they don’t want any competition between white slaves and black for sympathy reasons- So they soft peddle what actually happened- making it seem like it was a fantastic system of debt payment, and not what it truly was- brutal slavery, in many cases worse than what black slaves had to endure, again, because white slaves were far less expensive than black slavers were
“Davis, by contrast, has calculated that between 1 million and 1.25 million European Christians were captured and forced to work in North Africa from the 16th to 18th centuries.”
No0- don’t believe the liberal’s false narrative about white slaves- they were nothing like indentured servants at all-
onem ore- then I’m done- This is from Larry Elder- lest you think only white sources discussed white slavery:
“More whites were brought as slaves to North Africa than blacks brought as slaves to the United States or to the 13 colonies from which it was formed. White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Ottoman Empire, decades after blacks were freed in the United States.”
““From bases on the Barbary coast, North Africa, the Barbary pirates raided ships traveling through the Mediterranean and along the northern and western coasts of Africa, plundering their cargo and enslaving the people they captured. From at least 1500, the pirates also conducted raids along seaside towns of Italy, Spain, France, England, the Netherlands and as far away as Iceland, capturing men, women and children.”
These folks were captured- they were NOT working off debts as indentured servants do
““As far as daily living conditions, the Mediterranean slaves certainly didn’t have it better,” he said.
While African slaves did grueling labor on sugar and cotton plantations in the Americas, European Christian slaves were often worked just as hard and as lethally – in quarries, in heavy construction, and above all rowing the corsair galleys themselves.”
From same link as last one-
Thanks- I tried to lay this out with the links and quick excerpts to sites showing that white slavery was brutal, and in no way was it simple indentured servantry-
This discussion comes up frequently on FR- and every time it seems someone pops in saying whites were not slaves, that they were just ‘working off debts, and could leave when their terms were up’, and that they shouldn’t be compared to black slaves- that is a liberal lie- meant to down play what really happened because the liberal lie is to keep the black folks always the victim, always the victim of brutality- while the white people were ‘white privilege’ white supremacists who never suffered themselves-
That’s just a blatant lie the left like to perpetrate-
Like you said- white slaves were often treated even worse than black slaves because white slaves were so cheap- according to historical records-
Sorry, FRiend, but if you wish to go around corrupting our language, you might consider joining the other side -- that's their function in life, to take perfectly good words and corrupt the definitions beyond recognition to fit their political agendas.
In this case the word is "slave".
"Slave" can mean different things in different contexts, including metaphorically, "I'm a slave to my work", or "He's a slave to sin", etc.
Legally speaking, indentured servitude is a form of temporary slavery practiced frequently before, roughly 1800.
It was used to pay off debts and was eventually outlawed.
So it's possible that some Irish & Chinese railroad & canal workers were also indentured servants, but the vast majority were simply hired hands, paid a living wage according to standards of that day, and free to walk off their jobs if they found a better opportunity elsewhere.
That some were mistreated I have no doubt -- injured or killed in accidents, sickened by poor conditions, possibly even physically abused.
But when the job was completed, they were paid-off & walked away to find new jobs.
That is not "slavery".
datura: "What about my ancestors that died fighting on the Union side to free them?"
Right, the overall cost of the Civil War would have paid for freedom for all 4 million slaves, plus "40 acres and a mule", with no bloodshed, but human nature is a... beach.
On top of that, social programs since Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" have paid for segregation & discriminations in the 150+ years since.
But hey! So long as you shake the tree and more fruit falls, why ever would you stop shaking?
I have no idea what you're talking about, I think you're fantasizing & projecting for political reasons.
On CBS This Morning, Gayle King’s all the time race inequity program, you should have seen soy boy Tony Dokupoul today.
He apologized for his White Guilt in a segment. Why? His family bought a house and kept it. So what’s the deal? Well apparently “across the tracks” there was Redlining and some people couldn’t get mortgages.
Do where does this narrative lead? The media is setting US up to pay reparations for sins we did not commit? So they can either go to the bankers, or if Tony really has SINCERE GUILT, HE SHOULD GIVE THE FAMILY HOUSE TO THOSE UNFORTUNATES WHO LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TRACKS.
SHEESH, THIS IS JOURNALISM? AS rush WOULD SAY, THIS COUNTRY IS IN BIG HEAP TROUBLE WITH THESE LOSERS.
Right, you're talking about indentured servants, a form of slavery outlawed in the early 1800s.
It's how many earlier settlers paid for the cost of transportation & settlement in the New World.
It's key feature was temporary slavery, for a limited time period after which the indentured servant walked away a free man or woman.
It bears no serious similarity to chattel slavery practiced on Africans.
Now all you've done is thoroughly confuse yourself.
This quote refers to Europeans captured by Arabs and sold into African slavery.
It is related to the causes & results of President Jefferson's Barbary Wars.
It has nothing -- zero, zip, nada -- to do with settling North American.
Right, in Africa, nothing to do with settlers in the United States.
Different subject altogether.
Sorry, FRiend, but you are thoroughly confused.
European slavery in Africa at the hands of Muslim Arabs has nothing to do with African slavery or European indentured servants in the United States.
Presidents Jefferson & Madison fought two Barbary Wars (1801 to 1815) on "the shores of Tripoli", in part to put those slavers out of business.
The biggest FRAUD ever conceived in the world.
NO one who will be made to pay for this EVER had any slaves.
NO recipient ever picked any cotton.
IF they ‘take’ out property-—then WHO is going to be paying property taxes to the county???
No taxes-—no revenue=no jobs/no police/no snow removal/ no nothing.
No food/no shelter/no production of any kind.
No one to fuel & fly all those private jets.
Guerrilla war will happen, and those unprepared will be gone quickly.
[[It’s how many earlier settlers paid for the cost of transportation & settlement in the New World.]]
I see you bought right into the liberal lie. Plenty of good links there, knock yourself out. These folks were not inde tired servants, they were captured slaves who had no rights at all
[[It’s key feature was temporary slavery, for a limited time period after which the indentured servant walked away a free man or woman]]
Flat out untruth
[[Now all you’ve done is thoroughly confuse yourself]]
Not confused at all. The topic is white slavery, all over the world, not just here in the US. Also there were plenty of white slaves here in the US. You would know that if you bothered to read the links I gave you regarding this.
[[European slavery in Africa at the hands of Muslim Arabs has nothing to do with African slavery or European indentured servants in the United States.]]
Not co fused at all, read the links (as I recall, you refused to read them last time we had this discussion too) it talk about white slaves in the US.
[[It’s key feature was temporary slavery, for a limited time period after which the indentured servant walked away a free man or woman.]]
Sorry but hardly any walked away free men. They were stolen, kidnapped, and enslaved. You can find plenty of evidence of white slavery and the brutal conditions they faced because they were so cheap to buy on,mine. Don’t just ignore the junks I gave, there is a whole internet full of info to ignore too
Here is another link for you to ignore, spea,ing specifically to the topic of white slaves in America, and it links to an article written by a far .eft liberal rag acknowledging what you refuse to admit...
“But as even the New York Times has stated, many early settlers who were considered indentured servants were not servants at all. They died long before their indenture ended or found that no court would back them when their owners failed to deliver on promises. And many never achieved freedom or the American dream they were seeking. I’ll get into treatment in a little bit, but what would any thinking person call this?”
https://www.educationviews.org/white-slaves-america/
Some may have been I dentured servants and got their freedom, eve r yone, know that the majority did not, and died in their slavery, or were beaten to death, and were denied their rights in courts. This was no secret.
Read the link. Its educating. There are more too. You want to sugar coat it to make it seem like they were all well treated privileged white folks just “working for their freedoms” but nothing could be further fro the truth. There Is a long history of white slavery, and there is a.so a history of white slavery in a Erica every bit, and so e say even worse than, black slavery because whites were so cheap to buy. These folks were stolen, kidnapped, in many cases, not “hired” like you claim
Further reading if you care to educate yourself and stop claiming there w e re no white slaves in America
HISTORY OF WHITE SLAVERY IN AMERICA
“HISTORY OF WHITE SLAVERY IN AMERICA HISTORY OF WHITE SLAVERY IN AMERICA Slavery in America, typically associated with blacks from Africa, was an enterprise that began with the shipping of more than 300,000 white Britons to the colonies. Purveyors of slaves often worked in teams of spirits, captains, and office-keepers to kidnap people from English ports for sale in the American labor market”
https://therayfield.com/history-of-white-slavery-in-america
Nope! Nothing there about folks being hired to come to America to work as indentured slaves. They were kidnapped, just like black slaves were. No distinction between the two
Your denial of white slavery in america is baffling.
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