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"Trump Shouldn't Have Those Arguments": Another Indicator They Still Don't Get It
self | 1/23/2017 | LS

Posted on 01/23/2017 3:06:43 PM PST by LS

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To: LS

*Meanwhile*... the Obamas flee the US this AM in Sir* Richard Branson’s 50-seater jet after running an 8-Suburban motorcade to PSI to fly to his private isle in the Caribbean after being hosted by alternative couple of ex-Amb, Spain and WH decorator. Malia’s off in Bolivia for 83 days.

* = Does knighthood confer diplomatic immunity?


41 posted on 01/23/2017 4:33:21 PM PST by txhurl (Break's over, kids, back to WAR.)
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To: LS

If he would have listened to them, Hillary would be our POTUS. Even pundits on Fox said he should back off and get into only bigger issues. What they don’t realize is you give these people an inch, they will take a mile. STOP THEM! Don’t let them gain ONE DAMNED INCH of ground. Go Trump.


42 posted on 01/23/2017 4:39:56 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else.)
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To: LS
I know the fake media is too arrogant to admit they are being had and too stupid to change even if they knew it

By the time the get out of the left wing Journalism schools and work their way to front line jobs in the MSM their DNA is so altered it can never be fixed
43 posted on 01/23/2017 4:47:54 PM PST by uncbob
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To: LS

I’ve never had anyone offer a reason that news businesses don’t care about their revenues. Never.
But literally everyone says they don’t!
That just tickles me.
Show me where a man gets his cornpone... etc.

Anyway, agree that Slim and Bezos can afford to lose money in their media businesses to profit in offsetting ways.
That doesn’t dispute my assertion though.
And most media are not in that position.

An electoral contest is resolved by votes. A contest with a business is resolved by dollars.


44 posted on 01/23/2017 4:52:03 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: LS

Your point is well made- I hadn’t thought of it this way. I was thinking in a more conventional manner. I hope you’re correct and he’s playing chess :)


45 posted on 01/23/2017 5:03:34 PM PST by SE Mom (Screaming Eagle mom)
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To: LS
The latest is this "fight" over crowd size at the inauguration, or how many people watched it.

I can say this, I hadn't watched one of these in decades, but I watched a lot of Trump's inauguration.

46 posted on 01/23/2017 5:05:09 PM PST by libertylover (In 2016 small-town America got tired of being governed by people who don't know a boy from a girl.)
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To: mrsmith; LS

I will have to agree that new’s groups don’t worry about profit loss from false reporting. But I account for it in other ways.

First, many electronic news outlets are carried by the entertainment broadcasting of the mother ship. CBS News is not a profit center that drives the ship so they do what they want.

Secondly, their is a monolith to leftist media. You have the NYT, LA Times, WaPo, McClatchy giving the talking points to all print — if one takes a hit the others don’t pile on. Likewise, NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, Bloomberg etc are all leftist. Fox is faux for marketing differentiation only, not out of conviction. This monolith means that there can be little competition cost to leftist media because it is all sung from the same sheet music.


47 posted on 01/23/2017 5:27:12 PM PST by KC Burke (Consider all of my posts as first drafts. (Apologies to L. Niven))
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To: mrsmith

I disagree, and I can show you an entire “news” industry.

Look at the “news” from 1828-1860. Almost NO papers made money. NONE. How did they stay in business? Subsidies from the political parties. No newspapers made money until the penny presses of the 1870s. Yes, for about 100 years they changed their business model and indeed were businesses.

See Jim Kuypers, “Partisan Journalism,” who proves all these points.

They have completely reverted to the 1830s models of being subsidized by the larger corporation. Does the corp have to make money? of course. But the news divisions are huge losers, unless you can believe their phony bookkeeping.


48 posted on 01/23/2017 5:48:40 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS
Any REASONABLE person would assume that with the 31 million confirmed watching on TV, and the million present at the event, at last 10 million more watched on alternative media, this was easily the most watched inauguration ever. Of course, the drivebys/fake news media are not reasonable.
The thing that I take note of is the media reporting a picture of Obama’s crowd - and comparing it with a photo of Trump’s crowd which was obviously taken at some time other than noon. Clearly much earlier.

I don’t know if you were able to be in Washington on 9/12/09 when we were part of a huge rally on the mall. One of the speakers - retired Congressman from Texas, I can see him but won’t remember his famous name ’til after I post - mentioned that the attendance might have been a million. That was believable.

What was not believable was the media coverage. TV barely mentioned the event, if at all.

And on the Internet afterward, the same trick - authority estimate of the size of the crowd before most of the crowd had arrived - was done against us. And switcheroo pictures of crowds at recognizably different events.

I agree with the idea that it can be useful as a distraction, but I also believe there is virtue simply in refusing to swallow their lies. Force them to take a credibility hit when they lie.


49 posted on 01/23/2017 6:06:17 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: KC Burke; LS

Guys, I acknowledge it would take a thorough, concise essay to make my point but...
Any media business would want their ‘news’ to contribute as much as possible to revenue.
The obvious way news can do that is simply by drawing an audience, the more the better.

But there’s more to it than that: media makes it’s money from selling ads to marketing agencies, non-subscription media makes ALL it’s money from selling ads to marketing agencies.
There are more desirable people that marketers pay more for: demographics that are more likely to buy the products.
‘News’ that brings these groups to the media brings more money to the owners/investors. (If you can only think of the news as a loss-leader: it most offsets that loss)

Notably these are young and female, some minority audiences also draw a premium from marketers of targeted products.
So the news makes the most money if it is tailored for these demographics.
Yeah, this happens to be the same demographics of Democrat Party support!

Without regard to anyone’s ideological or political view- the media biases it’s ‘news’ to the Democrat Party purely because they make more money that way.

I’m not saying other factors don’t reinforce this bias. I do assert that profit is reason enough.
Of course media that is p[rviately owned has leeway, if the owner chooses, to be fiscally irresponsible.


50 posted on 01/23/2017 6:43:31 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: mrsmith

Yet NYT and most other papers losing money like crazy.


51 posted on 01/23/2017 6:58:32 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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And isn’t it sweet!
But they’re geniuses and will make a profit from their web page- just ask any of their salesmen...

Perhaps papers, that have to buy their ink by the barrel, can’t compete with media that get their electrons for free... to paraphrase the same man who said “You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”


52 posted on 01/23/2017 7:12:42 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: mrsmith

I am not dismissive of the argument that the leftist bias “sells.” I do however think that the leftist is forever selling regardless of acceptance or return.


53 posted on 01/23/2017 8:27:38 PM PST by KC Burke (Consider all of my posts as first drafts. (Apologies to L. Niven))
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To: LS

“Issuing executive orders, cancelling Zero’s executive orders, resetting the playing field on almost every issue, all behind the curtain of the “crowd” debate.”

And President Trump will KEEP doing this, signing 2-3 NEW EOs each day while the enemedia is still howling about the ones from the day before. Really, I think the enemedia will succumb to outrage exhaustion before President Trump runs out of EOs.


54 posted on 01/23/2017 9:03:37 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: PUGACHEV

But by torqueing up the media every chance he gets, he highlights their partisan nature and ... destroys their credibility, which destroys their value to the Dems/Progs.


55 posted on 01/23/2017 9:08:19 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Exposing the dishonest media is important — but you have to pick your battles. This is not an important enough matter to keep going on and on about.


56 posted on 01/23/2017 9:38:34 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: LS

Excellent points.   I think you are right on all of these things.

I believe there is more than one motivation for continuing to take this approach with the dishonest press.   One motivation is to get a lot of stuff done (like you say there) while the weaselly press is obsessing on some other matter (which they usually create "issues" about by their coordinated chorus of media group-lies.)

Another motivation is to make it clear to the press that every single time they tell a lie about Trump (big lie or small lie), they are going to get hit back hard about each of those lies.   They will eventually have to at least think about that in advance when they are contemplating telling another small or big lie.

I also think that Sean Spicer is doing a fine job so far, and I hope he keeps it up.   It is fun to watch!

57 posted on 01/23/2017 10:29:05 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Well done is better than well said." - Benjamin Franklin)
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Spicer laid it out nicely during the press conference yesterday. One guy was wearing out the numbers deal, after asking Spicer if he intended to be honest with them or to hide/skew things, and Spicer told him that he would be honest with the American People and that the intent of the fake news folks showing sparse crowds was to intimate that there was less interest in Trump's inauguration when, in fact, more people watched it than any other inauguration in history.

He told them that the Trump Administration would be straight up honest and that they would naturally hold the Press to it and not allow them a bunch of free shots w/o responding - especially since the shots being taken are not based in honesty.

The guy was slow and kept saying that Spicer said that more folks attended to inauguration and Spicer read him the exact statement that he had made showing that the guy was doing the LSM thing by re-interpreting the words to suit their argument.

Spicer is going to be super as the front man.

58 posted on 01/24/2017 3:07:17 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: mrsmith

With all due respect, what I (actually I wrote most of the book, but since I had two books out at that time, I gave my colleague all my parts and let him publish entirely under his own name) researched was that the old media-—TV, newspapers-—are collapsing financially. This isn’t just my opinion. You see it everywhere.

Every single one, and I mean EVERY one, is not propped up wy their “webpages”. They are all being subsidized by the entertainment wings. Those which have no entertainment wing are worthless (really, not just as in content). The NYT and WaPo are financially dead. So where is their sustaining revenue coming from?

It is coming from ideologues like Bezos and Slim. We are precisely back to the 1830s. Read “Partisan Journalism.” You’ll see exactly how that model works.


59 posted on 01/24/2017 6:18:42 AM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3516830/posts


60 posted on 01/24/2017 9:48:23 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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