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To: nopardons; SoConPubbie; spetznaz; SubMareener

A Democratic president pushing a Democratic agenda will be resisted by the Republicans in Congress. A Republican president advancing a Democratic agenda will be supported by both the Democrats and the Republicans in Congress. Have you forgotten the presidencies of George Bush and Richard Nixon?


110 posted on 12/30/2015 12:07:14 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp
REALLY ?

As the GOPers in both House have "resisted" all of Obama's recent crap?

An d I doubt that you are capable of truthfully remembering Nixon presidency.

130 posted on 12/30/2015 12:16:33 AM PST by nopardons
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To: SeeSharp; nopardons; SoConPubbie; SubMareener
We're all entitled to our points of view, and you may very well be correct. However, in my opinion, and to quote Rumsfeld, you go to war with the army you have. It would be great to have a Conservative Superman, but even one of ours who is somewhat flawed but still a Conservative will be better than one of theirs.

A Clinton presidency, like the Obama presidency, would be rife with all sort of agendas that may not be necessarily optimal for the country. That is a fact.

A Trump presidency may have one or two issues that skew towards what Democrats would want (kind of like how Reagan had an illegal immigrant amnesty deal), but most of what he will put into place will not be what Hillary would put into place. That is also a fact.

It is from those two facts that I craft my opinion that someone like Trump will be significantly better than someone like Hillary, even if someone like Trump advocates one or two areas that dovetail with what someone like Hillary would advocate.

My point? I am Kenyan by birth, but let me try and co-opt an American saying and change it a bit and make it my own. If I have to eat a shit sandwich, I'd rather eat half a shit sandwich than a full shit sandwich! Obviously, it would be best not to eat any at all, but if I HAVE TO eat one then I'd rather have a half-portion, sir.

If Hillary wins, and per my own analysis (relatively in depth analysis) she is likely to win (and yes, I know according to FR she cannot win, and in fact may be arrested, but the same analysis that told me Obama would win tells me Hillary MAY probably win) ...anyway, I digress. If Hillary wins, what she will do will make anything Trump or Cruz would do seem like chump change. Guaranteed. Thus, beating Hillary is an imperative, and the vehicle to do that is unfortunately (since I support Cruz) is Trump. Normal attacks don't seem to work on him, and he's not afraid to dish out attacks in a manner that is more visceral than cerebral (visceral works on the electorate more than cerebral, something that people like John Kerry found out the hard way).

This is the most important election in a generation, and I am almost certain that the GOP will throw it away. As expected, since the GOP is not called the 'stupid party' for no reason. You get over 12 candidates taking each other through the meat grinder, the supporters of the main four end up seeing the others as enemies, there are relatively fewer attacks against the Democrat candidate as there are against the other Republican candidates, and then they face off against the most formidable Democrat candidate since JFK (unlike many on this forum, I see Hillary as truly formidable and not the weakling some think she is ...probably the same people who said Obama was an 'empty suit' that could be easily beaten by McCain and Palin, even though he was a veritable monster that came out of literally nowhere to win the most powerful seat in the world).

Beating Hillary is an imperative, but I fear for our chances.

216 posted on 12/30/2015 12:47:20 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: SeeSharp

Concealed carry in all 50 states is a democratic agenda??
Addressing corporate inversion is a democratic agenda??
A pause on importing people who hate us is a democratic agenda?
Adressing the 19 trillion debt is a democratic agenda??

Be serious.


219 posted on 12/30/2015 12:48:12 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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