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Yes, Unfortunately Ted Cruz Did Support Trans-Pacific Trade Deal (TPA) – With Video...
Conservative Treehouse ^ | 12/11/15 | Sundance

Posted on 12/11/2015 6:31:57 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans

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To: Mollypitcher1

“Because Cruz is probably a One World Order advocate.”

But then why did the Illuminati soften us up by introducing us to the notion of a President Trump as evidenced in “The Simpsons” decades before Trump became a candidate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxkvRnbDYiU

What’s the frequency Molly?? What’s the darn Frequency??
lol


41 posted on 12/11/2015 7:14:10 PM PST by parksstp ("Truth is NOT Rhetoric" - Sen. Ted Cruz (The obvious conservative choice for POTUS))
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To: old curmudgeon

If I had to guess, I would guess that Cruz figures that TPP will not get voted on before the election.
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Just another illustration that Cruz is PLAYING POLITICS instead of preventing a problem before it begins. “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.”


42 posted on 12/11/2015 7:16:34 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

The nut of it, TPA, Is that it did not give away any senate powers..

The TPP, a trade bill, has to involve the House because it has Tariff language in it, which is revenue and that must originate in the House.

We have not handled such trade agreements in any other way for 100 years.

Leaving out all the extraneous matters, of lies and deceit, this is the nut of it.


43 posted on 12/11/2015 7:17:23 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

TPA fast tracked TPP. Cruz knew this. It would only require a straight up or down vote. I’m sure he knew what he was doing. He’s not stupid. That’s what gets me, his supporters say he is brilliant, but he is duped by McConnell.

He knew how the Senate works when you fast track a bill.


44 posted on 12/11/2015 7:18:20 PM PST by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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To: FR_addict

You ar absolutely right!!!!!


45 posted on 12/11/2015 7:19:15 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: nathanbedford

That’s not all TPA does, it triggers fast track authority. That gives Congress the ability to vote for or against — but not amend or filibuster

Voila, Iran Deal and TPP as soon as they can get the voters off their backs.


46 posted on 12/11/2015 7:26:00 PM PST by Kenny (RED)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Cruz's vote against Senate Amendment 1251 is the most telling thing in this whole fiasco. Why would Cruz vote against an amendment that would allow Congress to keep China out, if Cruz and the GOPe were assuring us that China had nothing whatever to do with TPP?

I don't think there's any question that Cruz advanced the chances of TPP with his vote. On the other hand, I've yet to have anyone say why having China join would be a problem.

If they're willing to live up to the environmental, labor and tariff restrictions why wouldn't we want them?

47 posted on 12/11/2015 7:26:21 PM PST by semimojo
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To: FR_addict

In the end, Obama’s trade pacts are going to be delayed until after the election. Nobody trusts him..anywhere...

The bigger issue is the US dollar status.

It is under attack and we will likely lose that reserve currency status or it will be severely watered down. when this happens, no matter how they try to ease it into place, the US financial systems integrity will fall apart like a K-Mart suit.


48 posted on 12/11/2015 7:26:53 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: nathanbedford

“...trade is ultimately good for the country...”

You have got to on something, with a dumb statement such as that.

I love trade, everybody loves trade, if everyone had a bottomless trade reservoir we would all be rich. I glory in trade. Trade is good for all of us.

What we also love is for the United States to remain a sovereign nation and TPP rids us of our sovereignty, it puts a cartel in charge of our immigration (as admitted by Cruz to Mark Levin), it tears down our borders to allow for the “free exchange of workers and goods”.

Why don’t you contact Senator Sessons office, with his crack research staff, and straighten him out.

Why does Cruz run around and claim he is not for TPA/TPP and lie about it — just like he voted for the Corker bill written by the White House and goes around condemning it.

“Note this article makes many broad assumptions about the motivations by Cruz which are not otherwise substantiated.”

Motivations? He VOTED for the damn bill. He VOTED for the Obama agenda in that, and he VOTED for the Obama agenda with the Corker bill.

“I ask again, is this all you got?”

I was wondering how Cruz supporters would blink at this, and Cruz supporters claim us Trump supporters are delusional.


49 posted on 12/11/2015 7:27:38 PM PST by odawg
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To: Mollypitcher1
Because Cruz is probably a One World Order advocate.

Cool. we're posting One World Order crap now.

Big names back Trump tower (Soros-Trump Flashback)

Trump tied to Soros?

50 posted on 12/11/2015 7:28:12 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Cold Heat

We haven’t had a another President like Obama that kept many parts of the trade deal secret from the public, because it would never get passed. Cruz was elected with the rest of the conservatives to stop Obama. We’ve never had a President before that tried to bankrupt the country before. He should have never voted for fast tracking Obama’s deal.

Now We Know Why Huge TPP Trade Deal Is Kept Secret From the Public
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/now-we-know-why-huge-tpp_b_6956540.html


51 posted on 12/11/2015 7:31:10 PM PST by FR_addict (Ryan needs to go!)
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To: libbylu

Only because you are concerned with things that do not weigh heavy at all beside the disaster of our economy. Without rebuilding a strong economy, America is lost.Cruz plays politics and sold out his own advisers. Blaming it on a lie is a pretty weak-kneed response. I don’t want a weak-kneed president playing politics this time around.


52 posted on 12/11/2015 7:32:41 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: semimojo

The problem with china is that they do not adhere to their agreements in principle or any other way.

Cruz is well aware of this. I even asked him about it at a chance meeting with him. It was my only question.

The geo political climate right at this moment is extremely dangerous waters..We have to be careful in how we extrapolate the meaning of certain actions we take as a government. Obama or no Obama...

Our entire financial system and our sovereignty and continuation as a republic may well depend on it. However I have no faith that we will prevent a catastrophe.

In fact, I am expecting it.


53 posted on 12/11/2015 7:33:04 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Helicondelta; Mollypitcher1; Greetings_Puny_Humans
Cruz gave Obama and Kerry the power to negotiate trade deals

Nonsense. The president of the United States and the Secretary of State of the United States are vested by the Constitution with the power to negotiate trade deals.

All this legislation did which was voted on by a majority of Republican senators was to tell foreign negotiators that they could safely negotiate with the United States because whatever was agreed upon in the negotiations would not be killed by amendments in the House or the Senate. History shows that without those assurances, foreign governments simply will not negotiate trade deals.

Economics tells us that without trade deals our economy suffers terribly. To the degree that we presume (we must presume because Trump does not offer any data to support his charges, instead he says outlandish things like, "we don't mean anything anymore" ) that some portions of some trade deals disadvantage some sectors of the American economy, that is simply inevitable in trade deals. For example, if Hollywood has more power than Detroit a trade deal will favor copyright of artistic work and permit the importation of foreign automobiles. That's the way of the world. The question is whether the economy over all grows and whether the trade deal is the product of crony capitalism or is the damage related to weak industries. A Darwinian approach is inevitable if you're going to have international trade because the efficient producers will be able to compete with some domestic inefficient producers. While that Darwinian process takes place, some jobs are lost inevitably, others, probably more than are lost, are created and the consumer certainly benefits.

Therefore any intelligent objection is not directed against the idea of trade deals but against the specifics of a given trait deal-you know about specifics those of the things Donald Trump has never met-which Congress has the power to vote down. Either house of Congress can kill the trade deal with a majority vote.

As to Ted Cruz's vote, his explanation is perfectly satisfactory to me and I believe to any fair-minded conservative.Watch the video, he makes a full explanation. Read his open letter, was misled by the establishment leadership of the Senate and of the House and when he found out the truth he switched his vote and went public.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Cruz was attempting, as alleged in this polemic posing as an article, to conceal his original vote in favor of TPA.

Apparently this is all you got and it ain't much.


54 posted on 12/11/2015 7:34:43 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Very well stated


55 posted on 12/11/2015 7:36:48 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: FR_addict
He should have never voted for fast tracking Obama’s deal.

I totally understand that and so does Cruz..

The fact is, the TPA, a authority grated to every president for 100 years, was never going to be withheld by the Senate because they could not justify it.

The TPP however is another matter. It has a ways to go, and the House will be involved.

This news is 7 hours old....

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/trade-tpp-mitch-mcconnell/index.html

56 posted on 12/11/2015 7:39:13 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: libbylu

He did not vote for the final bill.
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It’s called trying to close the barn door after the horses get out.


57 posted on 12/11/2015 7:39:39 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: odawg
1. Cruz switched his vote precisely because, among other things, immigration was slipped in.

2. Cruz and Sessions are allied on this issue.

These parts of your reply were wrong the rest is incoherent.


58 posted on 12/11/2015 7:40:10 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Cold Heat
The problem with china is that they do not adhere to their agreements in principle or any other way.

In that case it doesn't make any difference whether they join or not.

59 posted on 12/11/2015 7:40:22 PM PST by semimojo
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To: FR_addict
CNN)—Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says one of President Barack Obama's top remaining legislative priorities shouldn't be sent to Congress for approval before the 2016 election, putting in doubt whether it can pass before the President leaves office.

In an interview Thursday with The Washington Post, McConnell said the measure in question, the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), a free-trade agreement reached recently between 12 nations including the United States, Mexico, Japan and Australia, "certainly shouldn't come up before the election" because it might not pass.

"I think the President would be making a big mistake to try to have that voted on during the election. There's significant pushback all over the place," said McConnell, who in June voted in favor of providing fast-track congressional approval of trade agreements that would help the TPP pass more easily.

A spokesman for McConnell confirmed the leader's sentiment and issued a statement from the senator.

60 posted on 12/11/2015 7:40:42 PM PST by Cold Heat
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