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Dem Gun Ban Would Require Confiscation, Ban Most Pistols
Media Trackers ^ | November 6, 2015 | Brian Sikma

Posted on 11/07/2015 10:08:01 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

A Democratic-proposed gun ban would prohibit some of the most highly-rated hunting rifles and shotguns, ban most pistols, and require Wisconsin residents who owned so-called “semiautomatic assault weapons” to turn their guns in to the government. State Rep. Lisa Subeck and three other Democratic state lawmakers are proposing a sweeping ban on rifles, shotguns and pistols they deem dangerous because they are “designed to kill large numbers of people quickly.”

Legislative attorneys – known as Legislative Counsel – confirmed to state Rep. Dave Craig (R) that the loosely written ban does not contain a grandfather clause, meaning owners of prohibited weapons would need to turn them in or face felony charges for possessing an illegal weapon. “Continued possession of a firearm defined as an assault weapon would generally be illegal under the bill draft beginning the day after the date of publication of the enacted bill,” legislative attorney Larry A. Konopacki explained.

But Konopacki wasn’t the first to spot the troublesome lack of a grandfather clause. State Rep. Adam Jarchow (R), an attorney, also noticed that there was no exception for those who currently own a weapon that the legislation seeks to ban. Jarchow told Media Trackers on Thursday morning that, “on first reading there appears to be no grandfather clause.”

That’s a big problem for gun owners in Wisconsin because the way the draft legislation defines “semiautomatic assault rifle” (a term that’s somewhat redundant), dozens of different gun types would be banned. State Rep. Cody Horlacher (R), also an attorney, reviewed the proposal and told Media Trackers the definition of a banned rifle “is so broad, anything could fall into” it.

Research by state Rep. Dave Craig (R) found that the proposal would outlaw three of the top five rifles recommended by the hunting resource website Realtree.com for shooting hogs. That matters because the Wisconsin DNR has declared feral hogs to be “exotic, non-native wild animals that pose significant threats to both the environment and to agricultural operations.” The DNR has asked hunters to aggressively hunt the hogs to protect the environment.

“It is unfortunate that my Democratic colleagues, in their haste to trample Wisconsinites’ 2nd Amendment rights by making law abiding Wisconsinites felons simply for keeping their current firearms, also failed to realize the negative environmental and agricultural consequences of their dangerous proposal,” Craig said of the legislation.

When it comes to shotguns, the proposed ban would make it illegal for a Wisconsin hunter to own some of the most highly rated Turkey hunting shotguns. In fact, four of Game & Fish Magazine’s top ten shotguns for Turkey hunting would be specifically banned.

Most semiautomatic pistols also appear to be off-limits if the proposal ever becomes law – a nearly impossible prospect at this point with the legislature controlled by Republicans. A loosely worded prohibition on pistols with, “a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel, and that permits the user to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned” would make iconic handguns like the 1911, or popular pistols like the entire Glock product line, illegal. Perhaps the only semiautomatic pistol that would be legal would be the Luger, a German World War II relic.

“Even though a semiautomatic pistol slide is not designed for the purpose of being held by the nontrigger hand, particularly while the firearm is being fired, it could be argued that a slide still meets the criteria for inclusion under this provision,” Konopacki wrote in his letter to Rep. Craig. “Arguments could be made both ways here, and it is impossible to predict with certainty how a court construing this phrase would do so.”

Rep. Horlacher shared that assessment.

Because a majority of the semiautomatic pistols sold today could fall under the ban, Wisconsin pistol owners would likely be required to turn over tens of thousands of handguns to the state under this provision.

While the proposal is dead on arrival in this Republican legislature, it does reveal what some of the leading lawmakers in the Democratic caucus would do if their party had a legislative majority.


TOPICS: Wisconsin; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment; wisconsin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have extras of many guns.

If the time ever comes, I will pass them out like candy.


41 posted on 11/07/2015 2:17:45 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, obama loves America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But Konopacki was not the first to spot the troublesome lack of a grandfather clause.

Yes, of course: the lack of a grandfather clause is the "troublesome" part of this law.

If only there was a grandfather clause included, then this outright gun-ban would be a fine piece of legislation...

42 posted on 11/07/2015 2:25:43 PM PST by sargon
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; osagebowman; Ramius; g'nad
***they are “designed to kill large numbers of people quickly.” ***

Why doesn't somebody design a hammer to "hit large numbers of nails quickly"? The entire world would benefit, and make the inventor richer than Soros.

43 posted on 11/07/2015 2:42:34 PM PST by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The term “semiautomatic assault rifle” is not redundant; it’s self-contradictory.


44 posted on 11/07/2015 2:50:22 PM PST by Bob (No, being a US Senator and the Secretary of State are not accomplishments; they're jobs.)
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To: Pollster1

“When it’s time to bury your weapons, it’s time to dig them up . . . and use them.”

And the same for lost firearms in boating accidents!


45 posted on 11/07/2015 4:36:53 PM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: 2001convSVT
And the same for lost firearms in boating accidents!

It's a good thing conservatives tend to be multi-talented. I imagine most of us have the scuba skills to recover our losses when the time comes.

46 posted on 11/07/2015 4:39:51 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

Excellent, LOL!


47 posted on 11/07/2015 4:43:43 PM PST by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: BobL
The Dem retort to our opposition is saying something like “no one has taken your guns away, you're paranoid”.

See my post 11 for responding to the "paranoid" meme.

48 posted on 11/07/2015 5:16:04 PM PST by Oatka (ES)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When you go to sleep a free man and wake up as a criminal without doing anything...

That’s the definition of tyranny.


49 posted on 11/07/2015 6:28:05 PM PST by DaBeerfreak (As long as the politicians believe they're not the problem; we have a big problem.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But Konopacki wasn't the first to spot the troublesome lack of a grandfather clause.

Lack of a "grandfather" clause is not what's troublesome.

What's troublesome is the fact that the author of the bill has not been expelled from the legislature, tarred and feathered, and ostracized from civil society.

51 posted on 11/08/2015 5:52:32 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Following a few links, it would appear that Miss Subek is a former state leader of NARAL.

Planned Barrenhood kills roughly 1000 children every day.

Why doesn’t she propose banning them?


52 posted on 11/08/2015 6:07:54 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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