Posted on 05/12/2015 1:25:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Cath 22 is where you say they can get it, but the process makes it impossible.
I can’t see anyone creating an impossible standard for citizenship for the illegals, for one thing, that would have to happen after the system and politics states that they are already entitled to it.
I think the politics are purely citizenship, or no citizenship, just like the moral issues is.
The moral issue being, should illegally entering America and all that means ( a life of crime and forgeries, fraud, criminality, etc.), now be rewarded as having worked, and now merely be called another type of legal immigration and another way to become an American citizen.
So far he's the only major candidate to move away from the silly mantra that "All immigration is good so long as it "Legal"
The Jihad is in our homeland courtesy of "legal" immigration.
California is a one-party state courtesy of "legal immigration"
I’m with you. But I’m not talking REAL solutions. I’m talking politics. :-)
I worked my way through college by waitressing in a number of places. Dishwasher/busboys were low-man on the totem pole. They were either low-skilled legal American teens-young men who usually had a bad work ethic and only lasted a month or two, or they were Mexicans, probably illegal, who worked hard and were as reliable as sunrise. To the American, the minimum wage was a joke. To the Mexican, it was prosperity in the cardboard village he came from, and he sent most of it back there.
Guess which type I liked working with best? Guess which one my employers liked best? Guess which ones the customers liked best in terms of faster, better service?
So am I, conservative politics have to be real, not phony, and the campaigns and the positions are about educating people and winning them over to your positions, not deceiving them and appearing to agree with the left, and then hoping to somehow hoping for fantasy to replace reality.
Who would even try something like that, and who would imagine that it would prevent citizenship for the illegals?
And I’m supposed to dislike this guy?
I’m using my phone so I’m being too brief. I’ll let my tag line do the talking.
It isn’t relevant to our discussion about your wanting republicans to support citizenship in their campaigning.
Obama won’t be running in 2016.
You are missing the point of the tag line. Let me amplify: we are re- arranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
To get back to the original point before you get totally out there, I disagree with your support for citizenship for illegals.
To: cuban leaf
No illegal should become a citizen, even if you do support it.
15 posted on 5/12/2015, 2:18:24 PM by ansel12
We agree.
It is great you were able to work your way through college and achieve a better station in life. I am sure some of those dishwasher/busboys who were the low man on the totem pole in the restaurant were able to improve their lot in life also.
My view is that in a free market economy, no job should be arbitrarily compensated based on a position on the totem pole but rather valued based on supply and demand.
Example: If there are many dishes that need to be washed and no one to wash them, the wage is increased to the point where someone will take the job. On the other hand, if there is a surplus of dishwashers and the employer is willing to deal with the turnover then the wage will remain low.
When government, through action or inaction, causes an artificial surplus of workers in any area, the free market is distorted.
While the surplus of workers was confined to the unskilled sector it was easy to cover with government benefit programs. As the flood of immigrants move into the semi-skilled and skilled sectors, the distortion will be more evident and much harder to deal with. The high tech field has already been adversely impacted by the H1B Visa program. Indeed, wages have been flat and in some cases falling for several years.
This is the problem Governor Walker is referencing when he advocates considering the impact immigration, both legal and illegal, has on American workers. He has a valid point and I hope that our country can get a handle on this problem before it gets completely out of hand.
“...Romney received only 27% of the Hispanic vote — after inviting undocumented aliens to self-deport...”
From USA political history:
In 1988, G.H.W. Bush received only 30% of the Hispanic vote - after passionately supporting the Reagan Amnesty in 1986.
Look, I’m just really glad some top tier candidate is willing to go there. I’m pretty pragmatic, and therefore pretty worried about the state of our competitiveness and foreign policy positions in the world. I honestly do not see us joining hands and globally singing kumbaya anytime soon, so finding a candidate willing to at least talk about working in the interest of the nation feels a little like a slow in the pace of the lemmings dragging us over the cliff.
Now that I’m at a real keyboard:
My take is that the way for an illegal to become a citizen is as follows:
Leave the country and come back the legal way.
That is what I consider the “path” to legal citizenship for an illegal.
No illegal should become a citizen, even if you do support it.
Leave the country and come back the legal way.
That is what I consider the “path” to legal citizenship for an illegal.
I'm on board with that.
Amen!
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