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To: trebb
I keep hearing how refusing to vote for a RINO is a winning game.

This is NOT a game, and there IS NO WINNING when a corrupt oligarchy is institutionalized. The entire problem with most Americans infected with Normalcy Bias is that we can vote out tyranny "with the right candidates".

Not one person has formulated why/how the not voting for RINOs is a winning plan and will result in enough conservatives in D.C. to turn the tide.

As if standing on principles is a losing plan to begin with. A 'winning plan' would have been to stand on them without compromise, even if we stood alone over the last 30 years. Compromising principles was nothing more than a devolution to where we are now. Voting the Lesser of evils, got us into this hard tyranny and we are past the point where civil means can arrest where we have arrived.

What am I missing? Is there a real plan or is the "won't vote for a RINO" the clarion call for what will serve as a plan?

You are missing reality because of an acute case of cognitive dissonance brought on by Normalcy Bias. Voting for the lesser RINO got us to where we are, and it is a self-aware oligarchy that is showing us that voting Conservatives in landslides no longer matters to the Ruling Class who will do as they please and hobble them into irrelevance before they are even seated.

What is in play to pressure the GOPe and other RINO entities to start supporting conservatives?

Clearly you are not paying attention. They will NEVER support Conservatives. They HAVE SHOWN US that they hate us more than the Democrats do and that destroying Conservatives is the ONLY thing they are motivated to act upon.

This last election gave me some hope and I still keep my fingers crossed that the transition to 2015 will provide some signal that folks get it

Proof of Normalcy Bias.

but we need to regain the WH to have a chance -

2002-2006 proves that wish irrelevant and ignorant.

If no other election merits voting a RINO vs. a hard Left commie like Obama and kin, it would seem that the WH seat would be that one - especially since the Constitution has been trampled so much that the Congress refuses to turn to it to set things right with that seat.

Why so willfully ignorant??? If the GOP Congress would not uphold the Constitution and STOP a lawless president and instead FUND his entire fundamental transformation dictatorship, WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU ASSUME A RINO IN THE WHITE HOUSE WOULD DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT????????

I don't care, run me though it like I'm a 5-year-old kid with a learning disability -

Obviously.

what concessions, if any, can be made and for what elections.

We've already made them. Welcome to the consequences of conservatives making concessions and voting for the "lesser evil". Enjoy what you see, you've contributed to it.

How does that gain us long-term movement towards our goal of return to what the Founders put in place?

If your "goal" is to return to what the Founder's put in place - then you need to come to terms with the fact that it cannot be achieved by civil means, nor can it happen without a return of the culture to morality and the Christian Religion.

Period.

That's all I ask - lay it out so even an idiot can see where we make long-term and sustainable gains by just refusing to vote for Barney Fife when the opposition will organize behind Charlie Manson.

If you think you can vote out an entire government of Charles Mansons that have worked to ensure their power is permanent, by voting in Ted Bundys, you have nary a clue to what the reality is that you now exist in.

45 posted on 12/31/2014 9:36:58 AM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR
2002-2006 proves that wish irrelevant and ignorant.

I've been saying this very thing for some time. Apparently, we have extremely short memories. What did we get when the R's had the House, Senate AND WHITE HUT for 6 years? The "Patriot" Act, Part D, and the first of the bailouts/too big to fail policy. Go GOP! With 'friends' like that, who needs enemies?

46 posted on 12/31/2014 10:25:49 AM PST by dware ("White Privilege" stems from one's ability to lace up work boots and read a work schedule)
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To: INVAR
If you think you can vote out an entire government of Charles Mansons that have worked to ensure their power is permanent, by voting in Ted Bundys, you have nary a clue to what the reality is that you now exist in.

I guess that settles it - FR has no use because we must wait for others to start a revolution. FR won't serve as a central point because it puts everyone in the limelight and makes members the first to be picked up when things turn ugly.

If we absolutely cannot make it happen at the ballot box, why even bother have a debate on what to do/not do?

47 posted on 01/01/2015 3:18:10 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: INVAR

If we absolutely cannot make it happen at the ballot box, why even bother have a debate on what to do/not do?


48 posted on 01/01/2015 3:19:53 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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