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Rand Paul: I won’t allow you to smear me by claiming that I’m for amnesty
Breitbart on Hot Air ^ | June 12, 2014 | Allahpundit

Posted on 06/13/2014 10:00:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Breitbart dropped the A-bomb on him this morning, headlining a post about Paul’s tete-a-tete with Grover Norquist yesterday on immigration, “Rand Paul: Let’s Compromise On Amnesty.” Naturally Paul started getting hammered for it online, drawing this retort:

Senator Rand Paul ✔ @SenRandPaul

I will not let sloppy journalists characterize my
position as “amnesty.” It is simply untrue.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/12/Op-Ed-Secure-the-Border …

10:35 AM - 12 Jun 2014

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His staff, sensing peril in letting that accusation go unchallenged, slapped together an op-ed stating his position and handed it over to Breitbart. (Which, let’s just acknowledge, was a Jedi-caliber bit of content generation by the BB guys.) Is it true or false that Rand’s for amnesty? Here’s what he says:

I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable. I voted against the Gang of Eight’s comprehensive immigration reform bill because it did not secure the border first. I will only support reform that has border security first as verifiable and ascertained by Congress, not the president.

My plan will not give the president the authority to simply declare that the border is secure. It will require yearly votes of Congress to ensure the president doesn’t get around the law…

Immigrants are drawn to the magnet of free market capitalism here in the United States. Our nation should have open arms to immigrants who want to come here and work hard to make a new life in a free nation. As a libertarian-minded senator, I am attracted to the idea of somebody coming to this country with a couple dollars in his pocket, and then through hard work, make the American Dream a reality.

I do not support amnesty, which is why I don’t support our current system with no border security and a blind eye to the problem.

Three things. One: Unless I’m missing something, his position on immigration hasn’t changed. He’s always supported reform of some kind; what he didn’t support was the Gang of Eight bill, ostensibly because he didn’t like the “special” path to citizenship it created but in reality because he knew that Rubio was going to get nuked for it on the right and decided he’d better stay far away. He’s never going to back away from reform entirely, though, and neither will any other 2016 hopeful. They’re too afraid of being buried under the Latino vote in the general election (even though they will be anyway). Realistically, Paul’s position here — no special path to citizenship and no legalization until the border is verifiably secure — is as far right as any Republican candidate will go in the primaries.

Two: How do you define “amnesty”? As letting illegals apply for citizenship? Letting them apply for legalization? When I use the term, I’m thinking of any bill that would permit legalization before the border has been measurably improved. Paul’s worried about the same thing, which is why he says no fewer than three times in this short op-ed that he’d require a vote of Congress affirming those improvements before any legalization could take place. If you’re holding out for something more stringent than that — no legalization under any circumstances, attrition through enforcement for the indefinite future — that’s great but you’re kidding yourself. Remember, even Ted Cruz, while opposing a path to citizenship, supported the legalization component in the Gang of Eight bill. Congressional Republicans will never again take a “no legalization, period” position after Obama’s landslide among Latinos in 2012. It is what it is. Rand’s plan is as conservative a bill as any prospective nominee will feel safe in supporting.

Three: Rand’s plan doesn’t have the tiniest chance of becoming law and he knows it. He’s putting this out there not as a serious proposal but to pander to conservatives who are skeptical of him. Apart from a few dozen righties in the House, there’s no constituency in Congress that wants to suspend legalization for illegals until the border is secure. Democrats don’t want to because they want the border open for future Democratic voters; Republicans don’t want to because they want the border open for cheap labor for the donor class and the Chamber of Commerce. The only reason border security is part of comprehensive reform in the first place is because it gives Republicans a way to sell the bill to the right. And even if Rand’s bill somehow ended up passing, the GOP would end up caving and gutting it within a few years. Imagine if they passed his plan and Congress was asked to vote in 2016 on whether new improvements to security have made the border sufficiently strong that we can now begin legalizing illegals who are here. How would that vote go in a presidential election year, with the GOP quavering at what might happen among Latino voters if they vote no?

I’m not knocking Paul for this, to be clear. His proposal, while laughably DOA, is a smart way to try to appease conservatives, libertarians, and Latinos simultaneously, emphasizing security while seeming to stand up to the right in insisting on reform that involves legalization. Is it too much to ask, though, that Republicans like him emphasize now and then that the only reason America’s stuck at this endless impasse on comprehensive reform is because Democrats won’t accept border security on its own terms? A Republican Congress, squishy as it would be, would pass a security-only bill overwhelmingly knowing how their base would react if they didn’t. It’s Democrats who can’t stand the idea of improving the border for its own sake, but rather as a regrettable concession to be made in an amnesty deal. Might want to mention that from time to time, senator, to remind voters who the “unreasonable” party in Congress really is.


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KEYWORDS: amnesty; illegalaliens; immigration; randpaul
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable.

Enforce the law. Unequivocally. No talk of “reform”, just enforce existing law. If it’s “broken” how will you know what’s broken if you don’t use it?

Enforce existing law. Anything else: good bye.


21 posted on 06/13/2014 10:41:46 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: TigersEye
Roger that!
22 posted on 06/13/2014 10:42:54 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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>> Republicans don’t want to because they want the border open for cheap labor

The implication that Democrats are not exploiting this labor force is absurd.


23 posted on 06/13/2014 10:47:25 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Rand: it just depends on what the meaning of “is” is.

None of these amnesty pimps ever want to own their own agenda.

If you won’t enforce the law, which requires foreign nationals to be deported back to their own country, then you are for amnesty.

It doesn’t matter what cute name you come up with to hide the fact. ‘Regularization’ ‘Normalization’ ‘Special Work Permit’.

It’s all bullcrap. It’s all just Amnesty by Another Name.


24 posted on 06/13/2014 10:50:39 PM PDT by Pelham (Either Deportation or Amnesty.)
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To: Lurker

you’re damn right....free crap.

and I’m shutting up before a tirade


25 posted on 06/13/2014 10:54:37 PM PDT by thestob (Paul Ryan is determined to destroy this country)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ok Rand, whatever you want to call it it's still de facto amnesty.
28 posted on 06/13/2014 11:05:45 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rand Paul was FOR amnesty BEFORE he was against it. And no, that lie doesn’t fly either, Sen. Rand Paul — your lips are moving and you’re lying again.


29 posted on 06/13/2014 11:07:34 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: onedoug
“Isn’t Norquist an Islamist?”

Yes, Grover Norquist is a bought and paid shill for the Muslims. Another of the GOP Traitors-R-Us RINO Establishment a**holes.

30 posted on 06/13/2014 11:11:42 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: vbmoneyspender

Friedman made an idiotic statement there, people would flood America by the endless 100s of millions even without welfare.

When you live on a dirt floor and haul water, and struggle and someone says that America has dropped it’s borders, all is open, then you will do what it takes to struggle here than there welfare or no welfare, life will be better.

Mass immigration is what ended us as America, and that is what JFK and the democrats/international left wanted it to do.

The few here old enough to remember that immigration was the goal of leftist throughout Western Civilization know, 50 years ago they were changing laws all over to import third worlders to Scandinavia, and throughout Europe and Britain.

They needed people to flood the West to undermine the culture, and the national identities, the history, the religion, the unity and sense of community, the commonality of the nations.


31 posted on 06/13/2014 11:11:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FURP!!


32 posted on 06/13/2014 11:16:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SIDENET

I think politicians prefer to call it spin though.


33 posted on 06/13/2014 11:21:15 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: Lurker

AMEN!! Nailed it.


34 posted on 06/13/2014 11:25:15 PM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: Lurker
Free Stuff Army
35 posted on 06/13/2014 11:36:07 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Our nation should have open arms to immigrants who want to come here and work hard to make a new life in a free nation.”

That is not enough senator.

We should have open arms for people who want to become Americans and adopt our culture. In order to become Americans there is a legal process that cannot be bypassed. Everything else is secondary to that.

That is where you failed senator.


36 posted on 06/13/2014 11:36:48 PM PDT by DB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He will not allow anyone to smear him by quoting his own words.

If you give illegal aliens any rights at all and they don’t go to jail for all the crimes they have committed here, then it is amnesty.

Paul wants to redefine the word so that what he supports isn’t what has been since the dawn of the English language defined as “amnesty”.

Put a fork in Paul. He’s done.


37 posted on 06/13/2014 11:38:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am for immigration reform because what we have now is untenable.

What we have now is amnesty. Nobody is prosecuting anyone for breaking the laws and nobody is enforcing the laws on the books.

We don't need to reform the immigration laws, we just need to enforce them.

38 posted on 06/13/2014 11:41:06 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: ansel12

His point was that we don’t live in a libertarian state.


39 posted on 06/13/2014 11:51:45 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender
“There is no doubt that free and open immigration is the right policy in a libertarian state, but in a welfare state it is a different story: the supply of immigrants will become infinite.”

It is silly, America would be just as destroyed, regardless of why the border was opened.

40 posted on 06/14/2014 12:03:46 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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