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But against Hillary? Dead losers.

You would think that Hillary was Godzilla to hear you talk. Walker won Wisconsin and took on the entire NATIONAL union apparatus in a formerly Dem state in the rust belt on the hill they picked to die on. When the Hillary scandals get reprised, she will have NOTHING on Walker. It is also hard to paint Walker as a meany.

Pence would maul Hillary in debates and doesn't make stupid mistakes.

Both men could get the base to come out. The trick is to get one of the four (Cruz, Pence, Walker and Palin) to be anointed before the primaries so the vote doesn't get split for Jeb Bush. Palin is perfectly positioned to do the anointing, and would probably go with Cruz, unless a dark horse like Susana Martinez gets into the race in a serious way, and maybe not even then.

So Martinez has been vetted I guess... Nope, and you better do a little checking on that one. You are forgetting that the vast majority of people, more that half of which are women, don’t have a clue about politics, and wouldn’t even start paying attention until two days before the election in 2016. The women half are going to be much inclined to put a woman in office this go around. So vote for Pence/Walker, I will too! And we will lose.