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I think most libertarians will argue that the human heart is good

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They are going right against the Bible in that case. And even worse, I think they know it, too.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

— Jeremiah 17:9

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They are going right against the Bible in that case. And even worse, I think they know it, too.

My experience has been that they have never given it much thought. Often if you can get a discussion going you can get them thinking about it.