[2ndDivisionVet]

Agree? Disagree?

Palin/Cruz 2016

[Da Coyote]

Agree.

[political1]

That bill is dead. They forced them to vote on an amendment that wouldn't pass. The main bill won't even get to the Senate floor.

[muawiyah]

Jeff misses the boat here ~ the dispute among Senate Republicans was the head count ~ apparently there were going to be 4 more Democrats the Republicans could count on than even Mitch McConnell could find.

Then there were a group of Dems and Reps who never did like the filibuster and still don't like it ~ they tend to vote together on that question.

Actually, unless they want to democratize the Senate we are much better off with a permanent super majority vote requirement for every item on the agenda.

[deport]

Agree? Disagree?

Palin/Cruz 2016

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Palin won’t run in 2016, jmo.

[JohnBrowdie]

You’re guaranteeing the return of speaker pelosi

[ClarenceThomasfan]

I disagree. I refuse to believe that in the future all the presidents will be Democrats.

We need to elect a republican president to keep traditional marriage, support religous freedom, slow down abortion on demand and to keep all of us from paying 50% in taxes.

We will have a Republican president in 2016 and I don’t care if it is Rubio, Jeb or Palin. I just want them to stop the slide that the Democrats have put America on.

[nascarnation]

Ross Perot proved that a well funded third party with a well known high profile candidate can garner about 20% of the vote.
(BJ Clinton was certainly in favor of it)

[INVAR]

The GOP as a party for Conservatives is dead.

It has been infiltrated and now run by Ruling Class Statists doing the bidding of the Leftists who are dismantling the Republic before our eyes.

The GOP Elites disdain and hate Conservatives as much as the MarxoFascists do - and if they did not need the Conservative vote to win elections, they would be as vicious in their demonization of us as Obama’s drones are.

No - the GOP are become nothing but a a party to helping the MarxoFascists achieve their utopian dreams, including assisting them in marginalizing and rendering irrelevant, Conservatives and Conservatism.

If Conservatives do NOT go third party - then Conservatism itself, will go the way of the Whigs and be an underground, persecuted belief system that few will dare to speak our principles openly.

[ducttape45]

Let me rephrase the title of this post:

Senate cloture vote tells us one thing: the GOP as a national party that will stand up for the ideals and principles of true conservatism is dead.

A third party, while admirable, will not help in the short term, which is where the help is most needed.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again, nothing short of going to Washington, DC and dragging every single senator and congressman, and yes, the president too (he is not exempt) from their offices and throwing them out into the street will save this nation.

Call it what you will, but it's the only way to end the era of an incompetent government.

[freedomfiter2]

Thank goodness.Having two left of center parties has been killing our country.

[arthurus]

The Republican Party as a separate entity fizzled out sometime after the Reagan administration. What is now called “The Republican Party” is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party and its purpose is to provide a theatrical but noneffective facade of an Opposition.

[Ron C.]

Strongly disagree - history tells us why. There have been calls for, and work done dozens of times in America's past to form 'new' parties. But, all efforts to build and grow a new party has fallen by the wayside shortly thereafter.

The problem we face right now is the same problem that has always existed - mostly caused by apathy, misinformation and ignorance of what needs to be done by whom.

Keeping a party healthy means taking care of business locally. If everyone who calls themselves conservative were actually involved on a monthly basis in their local districts, building membership and attending county and state party functions - working to deny office to obvious liberals - then conservatism could be said to be alive.

However - the truth is, many who call themselves conservative do absolutely nothing to promote conservatism in their own political district (district, county, state.) Ergo, many are anything but true conservatives - just ignorant blowhards without credible credentials.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Ping!

[Political Junkie Too]

The GOP, as a national party, has been a dead man walking since Bob Dole => Trent Lott => Bill Frist => Mitch McConnell.

-PJ

[exit82]

The GOP died on February 12,1999.

Since then,lividity.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

I’m in Georgia and our two utterly pathetic pieces of shit senators voted to allow this to come to a vote saying debate is healthy.These sumbitches are anything but healthy.We need to start protesting in front of their offices here in Georgia and make those that work for them utterly miserable.

[Jim Noble]

The point of a new party is not to win - that’s why it’s so hard to get off the ground.

The point is to defend and to legitimize ideas that are not now part of the political system.

[heshtesh]

Agree!!