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To: Nero Germanicus
“Let’s see it?” Haven’t you noticed that judges don’t often publish exhibits from the obriefs that they receive?

I've seen plenty of briefs get published. It's how I know the Mississippi lawsuit only has a photocopy/printout of the PDF.

The courts are interested in the data on a birth certificate in a civil action dealing with eligibility not the version of the certificate.

That's not true. Under the rules of evidence, a birth certificate would be self-authenticating because the caretaker certifies that the document is correct under the law. It's not about data.

Since Hawaii has issued Letters of Verification for the data, a criminal action for forgery or document fraud/tampering would be needed to impeach the validity of the version of the birth certificate that is being proferred.

According to what??

Because Orly Taitz or one of the other plaintiff’s attorneys had also submitted a copy of the whitehouse.gov version of Obama’s birth certificate for Judge Mahili, there was no need to have the pliaintifs review the defense Verizon of the exact same document.

Orly was challenging the validity of the document. Again, it only counts as hearsay if a certified copy is not presented in court. Read the rules of evidence.

39 posted on 04/16/2013 10:46:54 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919

“I’ve seen plenty of briefs get published. It’s how I know the Mississippi lawsuit only has a photocopy/printout of the PDF.”


Actually the whitehouse.gov copy of the Obama birth certificate and the Letter of Verification for Judge Wingate was submitted in a defense motion and not in a brief. It was “Motion to supplement counsel for Mississippi Democratic Party Executive Committee’s Response [ECF no. 30] in opposition to plaintiff Taitz’s motion for sanctions [ECF No. 25]”
http://www.scribd.com/doc/96289285/Mississippi-Democratic-Party-Motion-v-Taitz

“That’s not true. Under the rules of evidence, a birth certificate would be self-authenticating because the caretaker certifies that the document is correct under the law. It’s not about data.”

It’s not about that data? Aren’t lawsuits filed because plaintiffs don’t believe that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii? Aren’t other lawsuits filed because plaintiffs believe that his father’s birth in “Kenya, East Africa” which is documented data on Obama’s birth certificate renders him ineligible to be a natural born citizen? Yeah, it’s definitely about the data.

“That’s not true. Under the rules of evidence, a birth certificate would be self-authenticating because the caretaker certifies that the document is correct under the law. It’s not about data.”

Birth certificates were introduced in Georgia and in Mississippi. The judge in Georgia used the birth certificate to rule Obama a natural born citizen.
In Mississippi, the judge has not ruled yet. I’ve read Federal Rule of Evidence 902 on Self-Authenticating Documents and Rule 1005 on “Copies on Copies of Public Records to Prove Content.”


40 posted on 04/17/2013 12:17:21 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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