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Should the GOP dump social issues?
The Laura Ingraham Show ^ | March 31, 2013 | Laura Ingraham

Posted on 03/31/2013 10:26:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: JCBreckenridge
"Hobbes disagrees."

Jefferson et al disagrees with your comment...

Natural Law needs no enumeration of specific liberties. Enumerating them limits Natural Rights.

81 posted on 04/08/2013 8:21:27 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: JCBreckenridge
I said

"Our entire republic rests on the concept of Natural Rights, or else it is null and void."

Hobbs disagrees? Reference please...

82 posted on 04/08/2013 8:28:01 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense

Leviathan argues that a social contract is necessary to constrain men from their evil natural impulses.


83 posted on 04/08/2013 8:30:49 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: uncommonsense

Both Hobbes and Locke argue the necessity for Laws to constrain and preserve Natural rights.


84 posted on 04/08/2013 8:42:46 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
"Both Hobbes and Locke argue the necessity for Laws to constrain and preserve Natural rights."

You seem to equate "laws" with our federal constitutional framework. We have many laws at the federal, state, and local levels. But, the constitution is a framework to CONSTRAIN GOVERNMENT from impinging on liberty at each of the various levels. It’s not a document enumerating individual rights as if the FedGov is the bestower of such benefits.

The bottom line is that we already have every protection necessary to defend individual rights at every level. We DO NOT NEED more statist policies to protect liberty!

Remember Obama said that the constitution was a framework of "negative equities" (i.e. the government should be the grantor of all rights, not Natural Rights to individuals)? Well, he had it backward. Our constitution is a framework of limitations on the collective (groups, majorities, minorities, etc.) so that the power of government is constrained in limiting Natural Rights - the freedom / liberty of individuals.

Whatever angle you argue from - laws from the collective federal state - based on anything outside of the narrow boundaries of our current constitution, is an erosion of liberty. We have too many factions engineering their own version of freedom to survive as a republic.

85 posted on 04/08/2013 10:04:43 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: uncommonsense

I agree with your condemnation of Obama. I also agree that the constitution is not the guarantor, hbut rather declares what people already possess as their natural rights.

It is to restrain government and not the people to exhort them to protect the natural rights of we the people.

My issue isn’t with more laws - my issue is with restoring constitutional governance. The constitution itself states that we the people have the power to restore a such a government through the use of force.


86 posted on 04/08/2013 10:53:39 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
"My issue isn’t with more laws - my issue is with restoring constitutional governance."

You and I are on the same page!!!

87 posted on 04/09/2013 12:44:57 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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